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Well! Give me peace in my day.

I am skeptical of the retreat from the fight. I hear a lot of arguments for sticking it out as long as possible, delaying the inevitable as long as can be, even if it brings greater evil later. That is “Vote Romney” in a nutshell.

Perhaps that is not the best course. I think I agree with Thomas Paine on this question:

“I once felt all that kind of anger, which a man ought to feel, against the mean principles that are held by the Tories: a noted one, who kept a tavern at Amboy, was standing

Thomas Paine; a painting by Auguste Millière (...

at his door, with as pretty a child in his hand, about eight or nine years old, as I ever saw, and after speaking his mind as freely as he thought was prudent, finished with this unfatherly expression, “Well! Give me peace in my day.” Not a man lives on the continent but fully believes that a separation must some time or other finally take place, and a generous parent should have said, “If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace;” and this single reflection, well applied, is sufficient to awaken every man to duty. Not a place upon earth might be so happy as America. Her situation is remote from all the wrangling world, and she has nothing to do but to trade with them. A man can distinguish himself between temper and principle, and I am as confident, as I am that God governs the world, that America will never be happy till she gets clear of foreign dominion.” The Crisis

Next let’s look at what Patrick Henry had to say in the VA legislature concerning a call to raise a militia.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope.We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she

Patrick Henry in the Virginia legislature

transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

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They tell us, sir,that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace– but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

Look at this matter just passed out of the US Senate, allowing the military or president to detain American Citizens on American Soil, without trial, indefinitely. Is this what it looks like when we get stronger?

There are all too many laws and case law out there limiting freedom and trampling God given rights. Many not only accepted by “conservatives” by embraced by them.

Today even the unemployed believe in the American System. In five years they may well beg the man with bread to be their king.

When somebody tells me I should vote for the socialist mush guy who might delay, but definitely not prevent, the inevitable collapse or even calls me cowardly for refusing to deliver that vote, I really have to wonder.

There are two kinds of conservative on this issue today, both are genuinely conservative.

One says, “Well! Give me have peace in my day.” Yes the tory was conservative. As Jefferson said, we do not change governments easily or lightly.

I think it is obvious our government has already walked away from us.

The other side of this argument says, “If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my children may have peace.” They recognize Henry’s truth, “There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged!” More importantly our children’s chains are forged.

The socialists have won thus far because they understood the truth in the adage, “The squeaky wheel gets the grease.” Or the confrontational SOB gets the concession.

The crisis is upon us, the collapse of the American Republic at hand. As in Paine’s day, I do not think there exists today an intelligent man who does not see the inevitable lain out before us. I do not know if this will degenerate into civil war but I do know liberty is worth such a war. We can only hope a sufficient show of resolve and strength might avoid it. This fight starts in our party and how can we hope to win by selecting their general to lead us?

There is no reason to believe electing some mush dirt bag simply because he has an “R” after his name will accomplish anything greater than granting the blacksmith time to forge stronger chains.

Roguehttp://sago.com
A father of eight, manager of a small business, concerned American.

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  1. You’ve been watching CNN again, Rogue.

    I’d like to argue a little, but won’t, for the FACT is, is another middle-road mush gets the nod…and in this I include Newt…indeed, 5-6 million once again will stay home, as they did in ’06 and ’08, bringing us to this brink. Would that we could have saved just two senate seats in ’06 and held the house in ’08.

    I’m all for the fight right now, but quite frankly, voting’s not a fight. We could have prevented Occupy, Arab Spring, and a 100 smaller little dirty tricks. No mas was all I heard. Death by skinflint.

    I can afford a fight because, at 66, I got nothing better to do and not that long to do it in.

    But if they win in 2012, and their strategy is to get as many conservatives to stay at home as possible, then we’re talking in terms of generations. And quite frankly, whatever we get back in 2080 won’t be the same thing.

    Food for thought

    • I am not arguing about the voting so much. At this point I don’t see anybody on deck making a difference. Only one of the candidates has put forth a plan to achieve the types of cuts that are necessary but his foreign policy positions are whacked.
      On the other hand, without those kinds of cuts national bankruptcy is all but guaranteed.
      This isn’t an RP commercial. While I think of myself as a non-interventionist he takes it to an extreme. I know there are many who can’t get past that and agree with them.
      But again, it leaves us with nobody serious about preventing the bankruptcy.
      Worse we have the Federal Reserve giving our money over to bailout the EU. As if we have it. It won’t work but it does leave you wondering if it is entirely deliberate. I can’t believe they are this stupid which leaves deliberate as the only option.

      So I think the conclusion at this point is that the US is going to go bankrupt. I am not sure about the timing but it will probably resemble the housing market crash. One day a critical mass will start dumping bonds which will require the Federal Reserve to buy them in increasing numbers. They are already buying them of course. In fact a couple of days ago they surpassed China as the largest holder of US Government debt. I think we all know that the FED buying government bonds is called monetizing the debt.

      Monetizing is of course another word for devaluing the currency or inflation. Or on this scale hyper-inflation.
      In history nations do one of a few things when that happens; the masses start looking for a savior/dictator, the government starts looking for scapegoats, the government takes the nation to war to distract from the domestic crisis.

      I’ve got four boys, I don’t want them being forced to invade Poland because we elected a Republican socialist out of desperation. How many people in 1939 were saying to themselves, “sheesh, I can’t believe I voted for this guy.”

      So really, if we are going to do this, let’s do it now so our kids can get back to living the dream.

      • We’ve been rode down and put away wet. It doesn’t seem to matter who wears the spurs.

        If I have to vote for Romney, I’ll need a few stiff drinks first.

        The GOP has said they will go along with the president’s extension of the payroll tax cut, even extending it to businesses with $5 million or less in payroll. This isn’t going to jumpstart anything but totally blows up SS. Oh well.

        I will laugh if the extra 2 trillion in debt extension Boehner gave to Obama in August doesn’t carry us through the election. Can you imagine?

        • It’s easy to say they need a dose of reality.

          Problem is these days reality is centrally planned and distributed by government fiat and the supply chain broke down because of it.

          As a consequence, there is no reality left in Washington, DC.

      • It seems to be that none of them actually see the graveness of what lay ahead. I agree on that. But even if they did, would it be wise to loudly proclaim it. I already know the last thing a candidate can say out loud is that he will go to DC with a sling blade to cut the bureaucracy. They can and would “wreck” the town in no time flat.

        The best we can hope for is who seems best able to handle the train wreck once it arrives. I like Herman but reviving a dead cat is not the same as preventing it from dying in the first place. This is all new territory, Rogue. Prayer may help.

  2. I liken our “dilemma” in re our talking points to the immigration debate. Some say we should fight for the most conservative candidate to the last gasp, then vote Republican. Which is what probably most of us will do. What the electorate-at-large does, I couldn’t tell you because never in my wildest dreams did I think Indiana would go for Obama.
    In the immigration debate, some say we should not even engage in any debates about deportation, paths to citizenship and all the rest and say that we are going strict nationalist for the moment – seal the border and then if we have to make adjustments later, we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it. On fiscal stuff, Mitch McConnel said nothing can be done except defeat Obama in 2012, so why bother? Only problem is, Mitch is getting paid for 2010, 2011, and 2012 for not doing anything.
    So is saying we’re not going to press any buttons on immigration the same as saying we’re open to voting for Romney if that’s the best deal we can get? Is saying we’re not going to call Obama a thief and just wait til maybe he’s gone the same as abandoning your leadership role in the Senate?
    What about the argument that saying you’re not going to vote for Romney even if it means staying home sends a message to the money movers that they better back a different horse or their cash is going to be wasted?
    And what is the difference between “us” and the electorate-at-large?
    I have no answers. I know one thing – I am about sick to death of the whole New Hampshire and Iowa thing.

  3. Rogue

    I mainly want to address your bold (literally) assertion that:

    “I think it is obvious our government has already walked away from us.”

    And if so, what that and the fact that it looks like our choice is going to be between Newt and Mitt, rather than any reliable tea partiers that propose the kind of drastic spending cuts etc that we need to address a true crisis (that I agree WILL cause a major market crash in the year future) , portends for the upcoming election in 2012.

    I would also say that I think the reality of the debt as a percentage of the economy means that We the People WILL face a major test of character no matter who is elected, and that how we react to that reality of a long hard slog back to prosperity will define us.

    I also continue to agree that it is very possible that the Left may get violent when Natural Law extracts its cost for our profligate weakness and character flaws as expressed in the debt.

    But, I think conservatives need to explore their inner conservative principles that inform us of the weakness of human nature and accepting the reality of the possible; and that we therefore must acknowledge how We the People writ large probably have the government we deserve and that the raw material is not present to choose those that would go to DC and make the major change needed to come true and that, importantly, given campaign finance laws and the media, that we don’t even raise up that “one man with courage that could make a majority” to run for the nomination that would speak the hard truths we need to hear and that a majority would be receptive to.

    Therefore, we are stuck with less than perfect choices, but we should make the choice and be “happy” about it given that”

    No matter which R replaces Obama, that Obama is rejected will cause a major recovery that people need.

    The big test is coming, but until then, we have to engage in damage control.

    This is our lot.

    And given Newt or Mitt, I think Newt is the better choice…more later

    Been real busy with legal work etc…

  1. You’ve been watching CNN again, Rogue.

    I’d like to argue a little, but won’t, for the FACT is, is another middle-road mush gets the nod…and in this I include Newt…indeed, 5-6 million once again will stay home, as they did in ’06 and ’08, bringing us to this brink. Would that we could have saved just two senate seats in ’06 and held the house in ’08.

    I’m all for the fight right now, but quite frankly, voting’s not a fight. We could have prevented Occupy, Arab Spring, and a 100 smaller little dirty tricks. No mas was all I heard. Death by skinflint.

    I can afford a fight because, at 66, I got nothing better to do and not that long to do it in.

    But if they win in 2012, and their strategy is to get as many conservatives to stay at home as possible, then we’re talking in terms of generations. And quite frankly, whatever we get back in 2080 won’t be the same thing.

    Food for thought

    • I am not arguing about the voting so much. At this point I don’t see anybody on deck making a difference. Only one of the candidates has put forth a plan to achieve the types of cuts that are necessary but his foreign policy positions are whacked.
      On the other hand, without those kinds of cuts national bankruptcy is all but guaranteed.
      This isn’t an RP commercial. While I think of myself as a non-interventionist he takes it to an extreme. I know there are many who can’t get past that and agree with them.
      But again, it leaves us with nobody serious about preventing the bankruptcy.
      Worse we have the Federal Reserve giving our money over to bailout the EU. As if we have it. It won’t work but it does leave you wondering if it is entirely deliberate. I can’t believe they are this stupid which leaves deliberate as the only option.

      So I think the conclusion at this point is that the US is going to go bankrupt. I am not sure about the timing but it will probably resemble the housing market crash. One day a critical mass will start dumping bonds which will require the Federal Reserve to buy them in increasing numbers. They are already buying them of course. In fact a couple of days ago they surpassed China as the largest holder of US Government debt. I think we all know that the FED buying government bonds is called monetizing the debt.

      Monetizing is of course another word for devaluing the currency or inflation. Or on this scale hyper-inflation.
      In history nations do one of a few things when that happens; the masses start looking for a savior/dictator, the government starts looking for scapegoats, the government takes the nation to war to distract from the domestic crisis.

      I’ve got four boys, I don’t want them being forced to invade Poland because we elected a Republican socialist out of desperation. How many people in 1939 were saying to themselves, “sheesh, I can’t believe I voted for this guy.”

      So really, if we are going to do this, let’s do it now so our kids can get back to living the dream.

      • We’ve been rode down and put away wet. It doesn’t seem to matter who wears the spurs.

        If I have to vote for Romney, I’ll need a few stiff drinks first.

        The GOP has said they will go along with the president’s extension of the payroll tax cut, even extending it to businesses with $5 million or less in payroll. This isn’t going to jumpstart anything but totally blows up SS. Oh well.

        I will laugh if the extra 2 trillion in debt extension Boehner gave to Obama in August doesn’t carry us through the election. Can you imagine?

        • It’s easy to say they need a dose of reality.

          Problem is these days reality is centrally planned and distributed by government fiat and the supply chain broke down because of it.

          As a consequence, there is no reality left in Washington, DC.

      • It seems to be that none of them actually see the graveness of what lay ahead. I agree on that. But even if they did, would it be wise to loudly proclaim it. I already know the last thing a candidate can say out loud is that he will go to DC with a sling blade to cut the bureaucracy. They can and would “wreck” the town in no time flat.

        The best we can hope for is who seems best able to handle the train wreck once it arrives. I like Herman but reviving a dead cat is not the same as preventing it from dying in the first place. This is all new territory, Rogue. Prayer may help.

  2. I liken our “dilemma” in re our talking points to the immigration debate. Some say we should fight for the most conservative candidate to the last gasp, then vote Republican. Which is what probably most of us will do. What the electorate-at-large does, I couldn’t tell you because never in my wildest dreams did I think Indiana would go for Obama.
    In the immigration debate, some say we should not even engage in any debates about deportation, paths to citizenship and all the rest and say that we are going strict nationalist for the moment – seal the border and then if we have to make adjustments later, we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it. On fiscal stuff, Mitch McConnel said nothing can be done except defeat Obama in 2012, so why bother? Only problem is, Mitch is getting paid for 2010, 2011, and 2012 for not doing anything.
    So is saying we’re not going to press any buttons on immigration the same as saying we’re open to voting for Romney if that’s the best deal we can get? Is saying we’re not going to call Obama a thief and just wait til maybe he’s gone the same as abandoning your leadership role in the Senate?
    What about the argument that saying you’re not going to vote for Romney even if it means staying home sends a message to the money movers that they better back a different horse or their cash is going to be wasted?
    And what is the difference between “us” and the electorate-at-large?
    I have no answers. I know one thing – I am about sick to death of the whole New Hampshire and Iowa thing.

  3. Rogue

    I mainly want to address your bold (literally) assertion that:

    “I think it is obvious our government has already walked away from us.”

    And if so, what that and the fact that it looks like our choice is going to be between Newt and Mitt, rather than any reliable tea partiers that propose the kind of drastic spending cuts etc that we need to address a true crisis (that I agree WILL cause a major market crash in the year future) , portends for the upcoming election in 2012.

    I would also say that I think the reality of the debt as a percentage of the economy means that We the People WILL face a major test of character no matter who is elected, and that how we react to that reality of a long hard slog back to prosperity will define us.

    I also continue to agree that it is very possible that the Left may get violent when Natural Law extracts its cost for our profligate weakness and character flaws as expressed in the debt.

    But, I think conservatives need to explore their inner conservative principles that inform us of the weakness of human nature and accepting the reality of the possible; and that we therefore must acknowledge how We the People writ large probably have the government we deserve and that the raw material is not present to choose those that would go to DC and make the major change needed to come true and that, importantly, given campaign finance laws and the media, that we don’t even raise up that “one man with courage that could make a majority” to run for the nomination that would speak the hard truths we need to hear and that a majority would be receptive to.

    Therefore, we are stuck with less than perfect choices, but we should make the choice and be “happy” about it given that”

    No matter which R replaces Obama, that Obama is rejected will cause a major recovery that people need.

    The big test is coming, but until then, we have to engage in damage control.

    This is our lot.

    And given Newt or Mitt, I think Newt is the better choice…more later

    Been real busy with legal work etc…

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