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Perry loses cool in Vegas as Cain wins GOP debate 3400 to 999

Garden-gate attack on Mitt Romney and inappropriate  show of temper may make Rick  Perry wish his performance could have stayed in Vegas by the time the next polls are conducted.

But Herman Cain heartened anti-Romney conservative hearts by offering a blockbuster alternative to RomneyCare and/or ObamaCare with a call for interstate competition in the health care industry.

Bay State Garden-gate

Perry’s attack on old stories about Mitt Romney’s alleged hiring of illegals shocked this conservative out of my chair more than any electrified border fence could. The Texas Governor referred to an old story about a landscaping company that Romney had hired that was discovered to have illegal workers employed.

There was no evidence that Romney knew the status of all employees of the company and he fired the company after discovering that it had broken the law. Romney was never charged with violating any law.

Perry, who famously questioned the condition of conservative hearts that oppose in-state tuition for illegals, indicts Romney for hiring the mothers of illegals to earn the money to pay the tuition? Was Romney indicted for breaking employment or immigration laws?

Perry temperament problem

For this viewer, Perry’s show of temper spoke for itself. I doubt his jobs plan can overcome what was seen of Perry’s temperament tonight in Las Vegas that seems inappropriate to the presidency to this Republican. But temperament isn’t everything. Witness what cool got is in President Barack Obama’s policies. But before Perry gets to be compared with Obama, he has to best the cool customers named Cain and Romney, and on that score I suspect his garden-gate attack makes his quest for the nomination futile.

9-9-9 no VAT

On a brighter note for conservatives, Herman Cain and his 9-9-9 Plan continued to be the target and he refuted the attacks on the sales tax element as equivalent to a European-style VAT tax that is easily hidden by pointing out that double-digit corporate, income, FICA, and capital gains taxes are all embedded in product prices today.

Cain’s plan would eliminate capital gains and FICA taxes while drastically reducing income taxes while only adding back a 9% sales tax on new goods. Clearly his plan would embed much less cost in products and services than under current law. The reduction in taxes in this way would be a boon for exports and the creation of jobs generally due to the reduced cost of production and other factors.

Cain was less effective in defending attacks from Mitt Romney that lower income workers and the unemployed would be hurt by the sales tax. Yes, the bushel of oranges, federal taxes now levied, hurt those same groups now; but Cain needs to do a better job in explaining how his reduction of the oranges to but three helps all groups more than the regressivity of the sales tax hurts, especially when applied in states that raise most of their money through state sales taxes.

3400 + 9-9-9 = Cain leaves Vegas still the frontrunner

Cain also found his voice on health care by being the first candidate to endorse a specific  replacement for ObamaCare in the debate by backing H.R. 3400, which, among other things, ends state monopolies on the sale of health insurance. This is probably the best single act that government could take to lower heath care and insurance premium  costs.

Perry would have been better off simply accepting the mantle as the compassionate on illegals conservative. His stand on in-state tuition was not the reason he comes in 3rd or 4th in polls. His problem has been debate performances and incompetence in defending his record and positions on the issues. I suspect that not only will his personal attack on Mitt Romney’s hiring of a landscaping company not help the Governor of the Lone Star State on the issue of illegal immigration but may also have revealed a temperament inappropriate for the presidency in its aftermath.

Time will tell, but for this Rooster poised to vote from his Stone Mountain of Georgia roost come Super Tuesday 2012, the race is now down to three: I lean to Cain. Still considering Newt and Mitt.

Mike DeVine

Editor – Hillbilly Politics

Co-Founder and Editor – Political Daily

Atlanta Law & Politics columnist –  Examiner.com

“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

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A trial lawyer for two decades in South Carolina; owner of Ati Vista LLC since 2002 now associated with Lupa Law Firm; VP & Counsel for Buddy Allen Roofing & Construction Inc. since 2016 in Atlanta, Georgia; and a freelance writer, DeVine was the conservative voice of the Charlotte Observer from 2006-8 and has been the owner of HillbillyPolitics.com since 2009. www.devinelawvista.com

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  1. One thing we Republicans should do a better job of is characterize corporate taxes, correctly, as the most regressive taxes in the whole pile. They are even worse than taxes on gas, liquor, and cigarettes. 70% of the impact of corporate taxes falls on low paid and lowly valued employees who are laid off or never hired in the first place. Corporations need to pay high performers what they are worth on the market. Corporate taxes do not impact those high earners at all. Low performing and entry level workers don’t have the job market working in their favor. Corporations simply can’t afford to keep them on shrunken payrolls. So *ALL* the job-killing impact of corporate taxes falls on the very poorest among us.

  2. There is no perfect candidate.
    I find Herman to be entertaining but IMO not viable in the general.
    Having said that, I believe Perry is the only one of them with the guts to completely eradicate the entire Dept. of Ed and to cheerfully pound the EPA back to the stone age.
    He gets my vote for those two things in particular and a whole host of other things in general.

  3. The Perry-Romney brawl did the Republican Party no good. Performances like we saw in the Vegas debate will make it harder to unify the party in November 2012…unless the candidate is Herman Cain who amiably defends his positions but does nothing divisive.From here on in all candidates should subsrcibe to Reagan´s eleventh commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican!
    However, Herman must find a better way of defending 9-9-9 and burnish his foreign policy repertoire or he won´t be our candidate.

  4. Mike, this is from Cain’s plan:

    Subtracting investment as well yields a subtraction method value-added tax. In keeping with the basic value-added structure, the tax is treated as border adjustable.

    The VAT is not in the sales tax portion, it is in the business transaction tax portion. I know most of us assumed that the business tax was just a reduction of the current income tax structure to a 9% taxation level, but it is not even close. It is a VAT and it doesn’t make any bones about it.

    The sales tax is a tax only on retail goods, so it is not.

    In the income tax portion, wages are taxed as income, but investment earnings are not. It says it is structured that way to encourage investment, which it would do nicely, but I can’t envision a way America will accept a plan that taxes wages at 9% and then taxes their spending at 9% while it leaves re-invested dividends and interest untaxed.

    You just think it looks bad now, when Buffett is only paying capital gains taxes (and I know, that does not account for the double taxation whereby the income was taxed at the business level at 35% before it got to his account) while his secretary pays income taxes on her wages. I’m just telling you, this sucker is going to go over like a lead balloon when people read it.

    • Given all the embedded taxes that Cain’s plan removes and given that the sales tax is so low, the characterization of it as a VAT is quite irrelevant. What mattered about past VAT discussions was the level of embedded tax, not merely that it is a VAT. Yes, it is possible that over time a VAT could evolve into a more easily hidden embed, but look what out tax code sans sales taxes has evolved into several times over the past century. As long as Man and not God is in control since Eve bit the apple, we will periodically need to clean up tax codes. The last clean up in the 80s set off a 25 year boom, but some would call that a failure because the boom eventually ended and Reagan’s tax code was adulterated? Poppycock. Semantics don’t concern me. 9-9-9 pure or modified will set off an economic boom. So would a good flat tax. I prefer 9-9-9 due to the low rates, broadening of the base, and single digit selling point for a mandate that the establishment pols would have a harder time watering down. I loathe the FAIR tax high rates and pre-bate plan btw.

  1. One thing we Republicans should do a better job of is characterize corporate taxes, correctly, as the most regressive taxes in the whole pile. They are even worse than taxes on gas, liquor, and cigarettes. 70% of the impact of corporate taxes falls on low paid and lowly valued employees who are laid off or never hired in the first place. Corporations need to pay high performers what they are worth on the market. Corporate taxes do not impact those high earners at all. Low performing and entry level workers don’t have the job market working in their favor. Corporations simply can’t afford to keep them on shrunken payrolls. So *ALL* the job-killing impact of corporate taxes falls on the very poorest among us.

  2. There is no perfect candidate.
    I find Herman to be entertaining but IMO not viable in the general.
    Having said that, I believe Perry is the only one of them with the guts to completely eradicate the entire Dept. of Ed and to cheerfully pound the EPA back to the stone age.
    He gets my vote for those two things in particular and a whole host of other things in general.

  3. The Perry-Romney brawl did the Republican Party no good. Performances like we saw in the Vegas debate will make it harder to unify the party in November 2012…unless the candidate is Herman Cain who amiably defends his positions but does nothing divisive.From here on in all candidates should subsrcibe to Reagan´s eleventh commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican!
    However, Herman must find a better way of defending 9-9-9 and burnish his foreign policy repertoire or he won´t be our candidate.

  4. Mike, this is from Cain’s plan:

    Subtracting investment as well yields a subtraction method value-added tax. In keeping with the basic value-added structure, the tax is treated as border adjustable.

    The VAT is not in the sales tax portion, it is in the business transaction tax portion. I know most of us assumed that the business tax was just a reduction of the current income tax structure to a 9% taxation level, but it is not even close. It is a VAT and it doesn’t make any bones about it.

    The sales tax is a tax only on retail goods, so it is not.

    In the income tax portion, wages are taxed as income, but investment earnings are not. It says it is structured that way to encourage investment, which it would do nicely, but I can’t envision a way America will accept a plan that taxes wages at 9% and then taxes their spending at 9% while it leaves re-invested dividends and interest untaxed.

    You just think it looks bad now, when Buffett is only paying capital gains taxes (and I know, that does not account for the double taxation whereby the income was taxed at the business level at 35% before it got to his account) while his secretary pays income taxes on her wages. I’m just telling you, this sucker is going to go over like a lead balloon when people read it.

    • Given all the embedded taxes that Cain’s plan removes and given that the sales tax is so low, the characterization of it as a VAT is quite irrelevant. What mattered about past VAT discussions was the level of embedded tax, not merely that it is a VAT. Yes, it is possible that over time a VAT could evolve into a more easily hidden embed, but look what out tax code sans sales taxes has evolved into several times over the past century. As long as Man and not God is in control since Eve bit the apple, we will periodically need to clean up tax codes. The last clean up in the 80s set off a 25 year boom, but some would call that a failure because the boom eventually ended and Reagan’s tax code was adulterated? Poppycock. Semantics don’t concern me. 9-9-9 pure or modified will set off an economic boom. So would a good flat tax. I prefer 9-9-9 due to the low rates, broadening of the base, and single digit selling point for a mandate that the establishment pols would have a harder time watering down. I loathe the FAIR tax high rates and pre-bate plan btw.

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