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So… About Last Night

As you know, there was a debate last night. Now, there are always winners and losers of course, but the bigger QOTD is what everyone’s thoughts are now that it’s over:

1- Who won?

2- Who lost?

and

3- Assuming last night’s winner will ultimately win the nomination – how are we looking against Obama… and what needs to be done to get your answer to number 1 across the finish line first?

Consider this an open thread (and, yes-given my recent rants I’ll recuse 🙂

DISCUSS!

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  1. Romney won by not losing.

    Newt rocked. I think many conservatives may start wondering whether his baggage is really any worse than the other candidates.

    Bachmann, Huntsman, Santorum all need to drop out…soon.

  2. I am liking my first choice quite a bit more than before the debate. Still looking for a backup plan. Azaeroprof’s point about Newt is something I had not considered, but as of now I can’t go there. It’s the couch.

    Been saying for a while that Perry is #1 pending his detailed economic plan, which he will begin rolling out on Friday.

    Herman would be my most natural #2 choice, my main problem is that the more he sells his 999 plan the less I like it.

    I refuse to say that Romney won the debate. He is nothing better than that guy who says “what’s it going to take to get you into this Chevy today.”

    So who won, would probably be Cain or Newt or even Perry because I expected the worst and it was far from that.

    I think the pundits are calling this thing wrong. Who lost is Romney because he is still not making the case to be a truly strong frontrunner. He is the same guy we have known he is for 5 years now, but worse.

    • Romney is starting to develop some of that “inevitable” mojo. Unless and until he can be knocked off his pedestal, this will only grow. Nothing changed that last night, hence my comment that he “won”.

      I agree about “the couch”. That bothers me even more than Newt’s divorces, infidelity, etc. (and his wife, something about her I don’t like either…). But no policy came out of the couch incident, and I really don’t see Newt implementing cap-and-trade or any of the global warming bunk if he were elected. So I’m considering him more seriously now. But only considering.

  3. Cain would have won by saying nothing given the recent polls, esp nationally and in SC and especially given that so many other candidates felt the need to attack his 9-9-9 plan so many times. But Cain scored a slam dunk by defending his plan so well especially from the attacks that it is not a “jobs plan” and on the issue of a new stream for the feds to tax. His proposal includes a 2/3 requirement to ever increase the rates. that satisfies the fear that his plan would grow like the current system we live under that already allows for many streams of taxes to the feds. And obviously such low rates and simplification would unleash job creation. This is fundamental.

    Romney also “won” me over a bit with his promise to cap federal spending at a lower % of GDP and seek a balanced budget amendment. I still want details on how he will cut the federal govt spending.

    Perry was better in the second half was was still a bit too low key.

    Bachmann seems to have returned to her good character and did well as well. May be a VP possibility.

  4. Plain and simple Cain won by doing no harm to himself and allowing him to continue to rise in the polls, followed by Newt, the couch, the Hillary Clinton working w/her on “healthcare”, I don’t care who he slept with it is his OPPORTUNISM that pisses me off and the biggest thing that will keep me from Newt is the RIGHTWINGER comment, because damn it I am one 🙂

  1. Romney won by not losing.

    Newt rocked. I think many conservatives may start wondering whether his baggage is really any worse than the other candidates.

    Bachmann, Huntsman, Santorum all need to drop out…soon.

  2. I am liking my first choice quite a bit more than before the debate. Still looking for a backup plan. Azaeroprof’s point about Newt is something I had not considered, but as of now I can’t go there. It’s the couch.

    Been saying for a while that Perry is #1 pending his detailed economic plan, which he will begin rolling out on Friday.

    Herman would be my most natural #2 choice, my main problem is that the more he sells his 999 plan the less I like it.

    I refuse to say that Romney won the debate. He is nothing better than that guy who says “what’s it going to take to get you into this Chevy today.”

    So who won, would probably be Cain or Newt or even Perry because I expected the worst and it was far from that.

    I think the pundits are calling this thing wrong. Who lost is Romney because he is still not making the case to be a truly strong frontrunner. He is the same guy we have known he is for 5 years now, but worse.

    • Romney is starting to develop some of that “inevitable” mojo. Unless and until he can be knocked off his pedestal, this will only grow. Nothing changed that last night, hence my comment that he “won”.

      I agree about “the couch”. That bothers me even more than Newt’s divorces, infidelity, etc. (and his wife, something about her I don’t like either…). But no policy came out of the couch incident, and I really don’t see Newt implementing cap-and-trade or any of the global warming bunk if he were elected. So I’m considering him more seriously now. But only considering.

  3. Cain would have won by saying nothing given the recent polls, esp nationally and in SC and especially given that so many other candidates felt the need to attack his 9-9-9 plan so many times. But Cain scored a slam dunk by defending his plan so well especially from the attacks that it is not a “jobs plan” and on the issue of a new stream for the feds to tax. His proposal includes a 2/3 requirement to ever increase the rates. that satisfies the fear that his plan would grow like the current system we live under that already allows for many streams of taxes to the feds. And obviously such low rates and simplification would unleash job creation. This is fundamental.

    Romney also “won” me over a bit with his promise to cap federal spending at a lower % of GDP and seek a balanced budget amendment. I still want details on how he will cut the federal govt spending.

    Perry was better in the second half was was still a bit too low key.

    Bachmann seems to have returned to her good character and did well as well. May be a VP possibility.

  4. Plain and simple Cain won by doing no harm to himself and allowing him to continue to rise in the polls, followed by Newt, the couch, the Hillary Clinton working w/her on “healthcare”, I don’t care who he slept with it is his OPPORTUNISM that pisses me off and the biggest thing that will keep me from Newt is the RIGHTWINGER comment, because damn it I am one 🙂

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