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Rick Perry Is Correct And Michele Bachmann And Mitt Romney Are Wrong

Rick Perry, in the debate last week, stated the truth about Social Security that others dare not say.  It is a Ponzi Scheme.  His fellow Republicans in the presidential primary have chosen politics over the truth. It’s painful as a conservative, to watch the others and especially Rep. Michele Bachmann, who created a TEA Party Caucus (which we didn’t want), to jump on the old political bandwagon of maintaining the status quo instead of telling Americans what they already know – Social Security, in its current form, is broke and unsustainable. Mitt Romney tees up first, by speaking the lie in the debate but since then he has added more fear and anxiety to the minds of the elderly.  Romney is showing himself to be a politician willing to avoid the painful truth about the Social Security program, all in order to knock Rick Perry out of first place in the polls. Just Because You Politicians Have Lied For Years Mitt, Doesn’t Mean We The People Don’t Know The Truth:

Yeah, that’s the flaw in this shrewd yet cynical twist on Mediscaring. The reason Paul Ryan has attained Yoda status among conservatives is that he’s willing to accept great political risk in the name of educating the public about the unsustainability of their favorite entitlements. If Romney’s willing to risk short-circuiting that initiative in the interest of getting nominated, why wouldn’t he break from the GOP on entitlement reform as president if he thought it might help him get re-elected? Granted, he’s proposing some Social Security reforms himself, but that’s not the part of this that he wants undecideds to hear. The reform talk is aimed simply at covering his right flank so that tea partiers can’t accuse him of supporting the unsustainable status quo. What he wants low-information voters to take away from all this is that he’ll “protect” Social Security and Perry won’t. The reform talk is window dressing.

Perry’s campaign is sending around a press release noting that Romney ripped on how Social Security is funded in his own book, but that’s not inconsistent with Mitt’s reform talk. The following is a bit more damaging, but Romney can deflect it by saying, “I hadn’t read Perry’s book yet when I said it”:

I expect flipflopping from Mitt Romney, and he has never been my choice for the Republican candidate for President, because he cannot keep a straight line of reasoning in his speeches.  He is always fishing for the next vote. It is Michele Bachmann who is the most disturbing.  I understand she wants to be President, I’ve supported her, and wished she would take off in the polls and get closer to that dream as well, but for her to play politics with this issue while on the campaign stump, and expect conservative TEA Party members to support her, well, she just made a huge mistake.  For clarification purposes, Rick Perry never said that the government would not keep “faith” with today’s seniors, as a matter of fact he even said for those his age, the program would no doubt continue as it has been.  It is the young adults my sons’ ages who are being sold a bill of goods and will never receive the benefits of Social Security.  Both Romney and Bachmann know that Perry is telling the truth to the American people, but they’d rather win political points than do what is right for the American people. Oh Michele How You Have Ruined Yourself In My Eyes

Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann spoke with Radio Iowa by phone this afternoon, with Social Security the main topic of conversation. Without naming competitor Rick Perry (although I did in the questions), Bachmann said federal policymakers have to “keep faith” with current Social Security beneficiaries. ”That’s wrong for any candidate to make senior citizens believe that they should be nervous about something they have come to count on. We need not do that, but I think at the same time we also outline our positive solutions,” Bachmann said. “That’s what I’m trying to do.”

For those who want to keep Social Security in its original form, you need to know that they are keeping a program that when it began it had 142 workers to pay for each beneficiary.  Today, that number is 3 to 1 and when my sons get to retirement age, it will be completely gone.  Asking them to pay into something that they will never see any benefit from, is making them pay for a welfare program for someone else.  Social Security recipients today receive 300 thousand dollars of every 100 thousand dollars they contributed.  This is unsustainable.   It was never envisioned that retirees would have the longevity they have today, and thus receiving benefits long past amounts paid in.  I understand retirees  65 and older receiving the benefits promised, and even those 50+, which does not include me, want what they were promised – but the promises have to stop – because a promise is not a check in the bank any more.   This Country is broke, the Social Security funds already paid in were raided by an unrestrained government and now these issues must be faced.  Rick Perry is telling the truth, a truth the American people need to hear.

JadedByPolitics
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy & does not destroy him is his own enemy

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    • Great column Jaded, and yes, it has become like a Ponzi scheme over time due to the raiding of the trust fund and low birth rates. I would say that it has had a good run of over 70 years! But yes, it is not sustainable and quite frankly, it is also unconstitutional, as I’ve argued before, but like Perry that does not mean we should break promises to those that are retired and those near retirement. I respect Perry for his honesty and as usual eschew the gotcha political opportunism inherent in primaries like Romney over puny points.

      • I know you Mike, hell we all know the the beginning beneficiaries were dead before they checks came do, they didn’t buy boats with them as the first baby boomer said she would do with her check and they should absolutely NEVER go to people like Bill Gates & people earning 5M & above, stop that insanity first and perhaps some poor people in the future will have something but you cannot give this welfare and its welfare when you are getting out more then you ever put in, in both actual $$$S and medical care, the average recipient will get close to 500K in medical benefits before they die, just nuts! We must keep faith with those who need it and at this point it should totally be needs based for those my age and below. It should be phased out in 40 years tops!

    • I am so thoroughly disgusted to find that the woman who thinks she is the closest to the TEA Party would even suggest that it is sustainable, each generation henceforth will be paying monstrous taxes in FICA to support the one in front of it, hell it was always a Ponzi scheme and it remains so in 2011.

  1. Rick Perry might wish to point out that during the Debt Ceiling debate (aka R sell-out) our revered leader kept repeating that without the boost in the debt ceiling there would be no $$$ for social security checks… which begs the question “who is lying?”… the SLF or Harry Reid who keeps assuring everyone that there are a gazillion dollars in the SS “trust fund”. This alone vindicates Perry’s assertions that it is a Ponzi Scheme (which any person with an IQ bigger than his/her shoe size already knew).
    As an aside and with abject appologies to Jaded for putting this here which I do only because I am too computer illiterate to figure out how to post on my own:
    *Elsewhere* there is a diary up titled “The Tragedy of Red State” which will make for a very interesting read for many of you… pot shots at EE and Leon Wolf abound… appears to be well documented.

    • On Redstate? the diary you speak of? they kept it up?…LOL!

      If you send Perry an email in the bottom right corner I will walk you through how to post and how to put a picture in….trust me when I say I am computer illiterate and yet even I can do this site and the picture portion is 100X easier then the aforementioned site 🙂

      • It’s still up… I know… the mind reels. there would appear to be about a bazillion comments attached to it so there must be enough “positive” ones that they chose not to scrub it.
        What never ceases to amaze me is how weak/stupid (insert perjorative adjective of choice) the Rs are.
        Why haven’t they come out with ” ‘Let me be perfectly clear’ the left-wing demi-god himself told all of us bitter gun-clingers during the debt-ceiling-debacle that there was not going to be any $$$ for SS checks” ergo it must be pay-as-you-go which indeed makes it a de facto Ponzi scheme.
        AND then his exemplary new jobs/stimulus bill will be knocking out yet another 1/4 trillion dollars from SS.
        And why, pray tell, did they let that fake Paul Ryan ad dumping Granny out of the wheelchair run without pointing out to the seniors that o-care guts half a trillion out of medicare so the dems can dump all of them into o-care and have all said seniors governed by the death panels(oops “rationing board”)? the entire population of seniors would flip out if they knew this and since I myself am a senior, I am reasonably sure not a whole lot of them are aware of what’s in store for them if the dems aren’t booted out in a big way. I certainly hope Perry points this out while he stumps his way through FL.
        And why, pray tell, haven’t the House Rs cut off all appropriations till that total sleaze-ball Reid puts forth a damned budget? He’s not going to do it before the election unless they make him and he’s going to have a hard time making the Rs out to be obstructionists when he is the one shirking his duties (not that he cares). If I were Boehner, I wouldn’t give them a dime till they put things in writing… but again, I’m a scorched earth kind of girl.
        They and their spaghetti spines raise my blood pressure on a daily basis. There are days when I can’t even come here and read about all of this because it would require too big an adjustment of my meds.

  2. Thanks for sharing your perspective on this, Jaded. I am on much the same page as you are, but I can’t say I am that upset at Romney and Bachmann saying the things that they are saying…only slightly surprised. What did surprise me the most is that Perry, as a front runner, put the truth out there in such a challenging manner. It seemed to me that he was purposefully putting his success at risk in the interest of giving the American electorate a clear choice…something we have been severely lacking for most of the last 25 years in presidential politics.

    I wonder now whether he might be walking in the shoes of Martin Luther (not MLK) except in the realm of politics instead of the Church. As it had become for Luther, it has become for the American voter, a time to expose the error (I apologize for my protestant prejuidice) at the heart of, in the present case, Big Government.

    As for Bachmann and Romney, they seem content to follow the proud tradition of saying what people want to hear, not what they need to hear. Only time will tell whether voters in this country are ready to listen.

    I’ll tell you what my perspective is on the Perry tack. He isn’t painting “Straight Talk Express” on a bus. Doesn’t even speak in those terms that I have noticed. Maybe we need to take notice of the fact that when politicians make telling the truth a campaign slogan, they are papering over an unwillingness to face facts. I still like what Perry said about SS, mostly because it shows an outright intention to shake things up.

    My hope is that those who benefit and will still do so for the current generation, look around them and realize that just because SS is there for them Does Not Mean it Will Be There for their children and grandchildren. Do we/they keep sucking the binky, sleeping at the wheel, or do we/they face up to our duty to make the necessary changes required.

    Owning up to the fraud that is SS is just the 1st step. If we don’t think it is inherently wrong and flawed from its inception, we will never find the will to do away with it for the coming generations.

    Also, I cannot help but wonder what Palin would have said were she present on the stage along with the others, and whether this last debate helped her decision process one way or the other. She clearly thinks there is room for more candidates in the race. Was Perry’s tack in staking out this territory a message that he, and nobody else, was the iconoclast in the race? I’m still wondering. Palin has always considered herself a pre-eminent reformer. Perry seems to want a piece of that. In any case, he’s made the race much, much more interesting to me.

    Thanks again for a post that “makes us think.”

    • Well there can be no doubt that Rick Perry is the complete OPPOSITE of Barack Obama and no matter how many things conservatives can find to pick at him on, there isn’t a politician alive that doesn’t have multiple things you won’t like and then some who will have tons of things you hate ie: me and Romney. I am so grateful he said it, I still cannot believe he did and by God he is a good enough man to recognize that America needs the truth or this Country has no future period! He is still not the guy I am going to the mat for today, but he holds promise if mine does not go all the way 🙂

      • Perry pretty much says what is on his mind. Sometimes it works for him but at least you know where he stands.

        Take the border fence. He’s not for it and the truth be told, it would be a doozy to get done….a lot of eminent domain, something most conservatives hate. A thousand miles of really wild and remote border fence is problematic. Personally, I think good fences make for better neighbors and keep the foreigners from robbing the hen house.

        • I want a fence but I would rather have boots on the ground more, I want those predator drones in the sky and I want them firing on the coyotes and the drug dealers who seem to find sanctuary in our policy of appeasement, when they no longer feel safe hitting the border of our Country they will stop trying to get here and they will start working on their own damn third world Country!

  3. When reading, listening, or any form of self-education on things political I’ve come to believe there are a lot of opportunists who wish to become POTUS. They’ll promise or do anything in an attempt to lock up a sufficient number of voters in their attempt to grab the brass ring as they go around the political merry-go-round.

    We are currently seeing the result of one such former candidate now, who followed this prescription!

    One such person who started the Tea Party Caucus and then proceeded to act as if they had some form of mandate from the people didn’t set very well with me. Another tries to capitalize on their success as a capitalist. One is trying to rekindle his ’94 run.

    Much the same could be said of many others. No matter how you slice it, it’s a repackaged marketing campaign for pick me.

    While it’s still much to early to start picking horses to run for the Triple Crown, a decent combination would be Misters Cain & Perry, in my book.

    I like that Perry seems to be unafraid to rock the boat. If Social Security reform scares people how in the hell do we reform all of the crap started by the Left since Wilson?

    To me, that’s a lofty goal to shoot for. To do this successfully will require leadership this country hasn’t seen in a long time. Someone is unafraid of calling a spade a spade and whom will be ready to pounce when the Left starts their scare tactics.

    • Well Cain is my man right now, but as I said above I could support Perry with no problem and I was one of the first ones to call him out over at the other site on his Gardisal issue, though as I told my boss the other day, the reason governments “mandate” shots with an OPT OUT feature (which we make them do) is because Conservatives like us will OPT OUT while the liberals and the poor who are neither ideology will never even pay attention.

      • I think those OPT OUT’s are a reasonable way to provide a choice for one to consider. The caveat is that if that person’s choice later turns out to be an ill-informed decision they still have to take responsibility for that choice. None of the running back to big-government for a cram down on policy or using an ambulance chaser who cheats on his wife with cancer.

        Perry may have been well intentioned on that particular move, but we all know what those are used for in paving a road somewhere.

        While more candidates might seem better for pundits, IMO they present an opportunity for the talking heads to have something to talk about. 3-4 would be plenty. As it is now, I’m holding on for Cain and watching Perry.

    • Great column Jaded, and yes, it has become like a Ponzi scheme over time due to the raiding of the trust fund and low birth rates. I would say that it has had a good run of over 70 years! But yes, it is not sustainable and quite frankly, it is also unconstitutional, as I’ve argued before, but like Perry that does not mean we should break promises to those that are retired and those near retirement. I respect Perry for his honesty and as usual eschew the gotcha political opportunism inherent in primaries like Romney over puny points.

      • I know you Mike, hell we all know the the beginning beneficiaries were dead before they checks came do, they didn’t buy boats with them as the first baby boomer said she would do with her check and they should absolutely NEVER go to people like Bill Gates & people earning 5M & above, stop that insanity first and perhaps some poor people in the future will have something but you cannot give this welfare and its welfare when you are getting out more then you ever put in, in both actual $$$S and medical care, the average recipient will get close to 500K in medical benefits before they die, just nuts! We must keep faith with those who need it and at this point it should totally be needs based for those my age and below. It should be phased out in 40 years tops!

    • I am so thoroughly disgusted to find that the woman who thinks she is the closest to the TEA Party would even suggest that it is sustainable, each generation henceforth will be paying monstrous taxes in FICA to support the one in front of it, hell it was always a Ponzi scheme and it remains so in 2011.

  1. Rick Perry might wish to point out that during the Debt Ceiling debate (aka R sell-out) our revered leader kept repeating that without the boost in the debt ceiling there would be no $$$ for social security checks… which begs the question “who is lying?”… the SLF or Harry Reid who keeps assuring everyone that there are a gazillion dollars in the SS “trust fund”. This alone vindicates Perry’s assertions that it is a Ponzi Scheme (which any person with an IQ bigger than his/her shoe size already knew).
    As an aside and with abject appologies to Jaded for putting this here which I do only because I am too computer illiterate to figure out how to post on my own:
    *Elsewhere* there is a diary up titled “The Tragedy of Red State” which will make for a very interesting read for many of you… pot shots at EE and Leon Wolf abound… appears to be well documented.

    • On Redstate? the diary you speak of? they kept it up?…LOL!

      If you send Perry an email in the bottom right corner I will walk you through how to post and how to put a picture in….trust me when I say I am computer illiterate and yet even I can do this site and the picture portion is 100X easier then the aforementioned site 🙂

      • It’s still up… I know… the mind reels. there would appear to be about a bazillion comments attached to it so there must be enough “positive” ones that they chose not to scrub it.
        What never ceases to amaze me is how weak/stupid (insert perjorative adjective of choice) the Rs are.
        Why haven’t they come out with ” ‘Let me be perfectly clear’ the left-wing demi-god himself told all of us bitter gun-clingers during the debt-ceiling-debacle that there was not going to be any $$$ for SS checks” ergo it must be pay-as-you-go which indeed makes it a de facto Ponzi scheme.
        AND then his exemplary new jobs/stimulus bill will be knocking out yet another 1/4 trillion dollars from SS.
        And why, pray tell, did they let that fake Paul Ryan ad dumping Granny out of the wheelchair run without pointing out to the seniors that o-care guts half a trillion out of medicare so the dems can dump all of them into o-care and have all said seniors governed by the death panels(oops “rationing board”)? the entire population of seniors would flip out if they knew this and since I myself am a senior, I am reasonably sure not a whole lot of them are aware of what’s in store for them if the dems aren’t booted out in a big way. I certainly hope Perry points this out while he stumps his way through FL.
        And why, pray tell, haven’t the House Rs cut off all appropriations till that total sleaze-ball Reid puts forth a damned budget? He’s not going to do it before the election unless they make him and he’s going to have a hard time making the Rs out to be obstructionists when he is the one shirking his duties (not that he cares). If I were Boehner, I wouldn’t give them a dime till they put things in writing… but again, I’m a scorched earth kind of girl.
        They and their spaghetti spines raise my blood pressure on a daily basis. There are days when I can’t even come here and read about all of this because it would require too big an adjustment of my meds.

  2. Thanks for sharing your perspective on this, Jaded. I am on much the same page as you are, but I can’t say I am that upset at Romney and Bachmann saying the things that they are saying…only slightly surprised. What did surprise me the most is that Perry, as a front runner, put the truth out there in such a challenging manner. It seemed to me that he was purposefully putting his success at risk in the interest of giving the American electorate a clear choice…something we have been severely lacking for most of the last 25 years in presidential politics.

    I wonder now whether he might be walking in the shoes of Martin Luther (not MLK) except in the realm of politics instead of the Church. As it had become for Luther, it has become for the American voter, a time to expose the error (I apologize for my protestant prejuidice) at the heart of, in the present case, Big Government.

    As for Bachmann and Romney, they seem content to follow the proud tradition of saying what people want to hear, not what they need to hear. Only time will tell whether voters in this country are ready to listen.

    I’ll tell you what my perspective is on the Perry tack. He isn’t painting “Straight Talk Express” on a bus. Doesn’t even speak in those terms that I have noticed. Maybe we need to take notice of the fact that when politicians make telling the truth a campaign slogan, they are papering over an unwillingness to face facts. I still like what Perry said about SS, mostly because it shows an outright intention to shake things up.

    My hope is that those who benefit and will still do so for the current generation, look around them and realize that just because SS is there for them Does Not Mean it Will Be There for their children and grandchildren. Do we/they keep sucking the binky, sleeping at the wheel, or do we/they face up to our duty to make the necessary changes required.

    Owning up to the fraud that is SS is just the 1st step. If we don’t think it is inherently wrong and flawed from its inception, we will never find the will to do away with it for the coming generations.

    Also, I cannot help but wonder what Palin would have said were she present on the stage along with the others, and whether this last debate helped her decision process one way or the other. She clearly thinks there is room for more candidates in the race. Was Perry’s tack in staking out this territory a message that he, and nobody else, was the iconoclast in the race? I’m still wondering. Palin has always considered herself a pre-eminent reformer. Perry seems to want a piece of that. In any case, he’s made the race much, much more interesting to me.

    Thanks again for a post that “makes us think.”

    • Well there can be no doubt that Rick Perry is the complete OPPOSITE of Barack Obama and no matter how many things conservatives can find to pick at him on, there isn’t a politician alive that doesn’t have multiple things you won’t like and then some who will have tons of things you hate ie: me and Romney. I am so grateful he said it, I still cannot believe he did and by God he is a good enough man to recognize that America needs the truth or this Country has no future period! He is still not the guy I am going to the mat for today, but he holds promise if mine does not go all the way 🙂

      • Perry pretty much says what is on his mind. Sometimes it works for him but at least you know where he stands.

        Take the border fence. He’s not for it and the truth be told, it would be a doozy to get done….a lot of eminent domain, something most conservatives hate. A thousand miles of really wild and remote border fence is problematic. Personally, I think good fences make for better neighbors and keep the foreigners from robbing the hen house.

        • I want a fence but I would rather have boots on the ground more, I want those predator drones in the sky and I want them firing on the coyotes and the drug dealers who seem to find sanctuary in our policy of appeasement, when they no longer feel safe hitting the border of our Country they will stop trying to get here and they will start working on their own damn third world Country!

  3. When reading, listening, or any form of self-education on things political I’ve come to believe there are a lot of opportunists who wish to become POTUS. They’ll promise or do anything in an attempt to lock up a sufficient number of voters in their attempt to grab the brass ring as they go around the political merry-go-round.

    We are currently seeing the result of one such former candidate now, who followed this prescription!

    One such person who started the Tea Party Caucus and then proceeded to act as if they had some form of mandate from the people didn’t set very well with me. Another tries to capitalize on their success as a capitalist. One is trying to rekindle his ’94 run.

    Much the same could be said of many others. No matter how you slice it, it’s a repackaged marketing campaign for pick me.

    While it’s still much to early to start picking horses to run for the Triple Crown, a decent combination would be Misters Cain & Perry, in my book.

    I like that Perry seems to be unafraid to rock the boat. If Social Security reform scares people how in the hell do we reform all of the crap started by the Left since Wilson?

    To me, that’s a lofty goal to shoot for. To do this successfully will require leadership this country hasn’t seen in a long time. Someone is unafraid of calling a spade a spade and whom will be ready to pounce when the Left starts their scare tactics.

    • Well Cain is my man right now, but as I said above I could support Perry with no problem and I was one of the first ones to call him out over at the other site on his Gardisal issue, though as I told my boss the other day, the reason governments “mandate” shots with an OPT OUT feature (which we make them do) is because Conservatives like us will OPT OUT while the liberals and the poor who are neither ideology will never even pay attention.

      • I think those OPT OUT’s are a reasonable way to provide a choice for one to consider. The caveat is that if that person’s choice later turns out to be an ill-informed decision they still have to take responsibility for that choice. None of the running back to big-government for a cram down on policy or using an ambulance chaser who cheats on his wife with cancer.

        Perry may have been well intentioned on that particular move, but we all know what those are used for in paving a road somewhere.

        While more candidates might seem better for pundits, IMO they present an opportunity for the talking heads to have something to talk about. 3-4 would be plenty. As it is now, I’m holding on for Cain and watching Perry.

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