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My Jonah Goldberg Problem – and Ours

 

Note: This post will be written in the unschooled, uncouth first-person ‘I’ quite a bit, instead of the hoity-toity- editorial “We” style I usually use because, well, I (we) don’t want to be hoity-toity today.

I like Jonah Goldberg.  I really liked his mom a lot, especially when she and Linda Tripp got their heads together and advised Monica Lewinsky to “Save That Dress!” Not that their advice forced the MSM and the Progressives to relegate the man from a place called Hope to the dustbin of history, just that it muted their baying and braying for a while.

Jonah Golberg (b. 1969)  is a wit and a wag and can pronounce, profess and project conservatism with the best of them. But his piece in NRO today is an object lesson in why the elite conservative establishment, while whining that they are only trying to save us from ourselves, in reality would do well to save themselves from themselves.

Jonah goes to great pains to pretend he is mocking the liberal establishment, by giving us example after example of how the liberals mock and deride the plainspoken, cowboyesque, swaggering, ungravitas-oriented politicians, mostly governors, from across the wheated plain. In fact, he goes on and on so much that, after a while, he has protested quite enough, thank-you Jonah. Ultimately, he gives up altogether and just flat out admits, in wordages more or less so, that he agrees with the rest of the Washington Wags – people like Perry, however correct on the issues, are an embarrassment. He defends Perry, and Bush, and by association  Palin against the left wing assaults and then tells ‘us’ that he is just weary from doing so and daunted at the prospect of having to do so for four more years. There is no other way to translate that than ‘I have been apologizing for all those rubes and they still refuse to learn how to speak correctly, and I am tired (at age 41) of the constant embarassment.’  So sorry for your trouble, Jonah.

Bush’s inability to articulate arguments had nothing to do with his Texan-ness or his Christianity, but a lot of folks on the right defended him as if that were the case. “He speaks American, don’t you get it?”To which I’d reply: “No, he speaks badly.”

Again, so sorry you have to hear badspeak, Jonah.

So that’s my problem with Jonah’s problem. As to “our” problem, well, it depends on what “our” meaning of “our” is, doesn’t it?  See, Jonah’s usage of it in his title can be taken in two ways.  One, he is saying it is conservatism’s problem, which he explicitly does in his piece. The other is that it can be taken as National Review’s problem. Jonah, an editor-at-large for NRO, is not alone at NRO in his usage of the word “problem” in the same sentence as “Perry”. Just one example is here.  And not that I am picking on NRO necessarily, for other instances can be found of  “Why can’t we find a clean, articulate candidate like Barack Obama for our side? ”  at other establishment conservative venues. 

The point here today is that Jonah, and NRO, and the National Republican Party, and other ‘conservative pundits’ and the gullible public, while claiming to be soooo not into the liberals’ game of labeling and defining the issues, are as guilty as sin in accepting the premises and letting the liberals create definitions and labels for the candidates, and while so doing are themselves ignorant of the fact that they have been complicit in also letting the liberals establish the framework, set the ground rules and dictate the premises for the debates surrounding the issues all along.  Else, with any reputable poll or scholarly paper showing the nation to be center-to-center-right in political bent, how could the nation have gone so far left in it’s governance without our betters from the East Coast Corridor constantly falling into the liberal traps?

Jonah Goldberg is tired of covering for plain-spoken conservatives?  Oh, I (we) do so beg your pardon, Jonah.  We (I) didn’t understand that it was “all Bush’s fault” that we have had a liberal ascendancy ever since you and your fellows learned how to write.

I really do like Jonah.  Really I do.  And I like Rich Lowry, too.  But he (they) (thems), whatever the correct misunderterminology you want to call them, are my (our) problem.  Just as much as any left-wing scribe you (y’all) would care to articulately nominate.

 

 
Excellent analysis, bob, and nothing wrong with plain speaking. (Lady P – Ed.)

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  1. My sentiments exactly. Jonah is good on most days, but today, he came a cropper.

    At first when I read the Goldberg article I expected him to be warning of a “personality cult” problem with Perry. You know, people flocking to his campaign on his atmospherics alone instead of for his ideals & values (and of course policies). Not that I see a cult forming; rather, that he is a fairly charismatic person and it is something to watch for.

    Still scratching my head over this article by Goldberg. What is the purpose? He may as well have written “Why I’m reconciled to Romney” or “Why I’m holding out for Christie” or whatever.

    In any case, I wish he had crumpled this one up and tossed it into the dustbin.

    But then (we) I wouldn’t have had the pleasure of the present dispatch. 🙂

  2. Great insights, Bob. And yes, Jonah is a kid-by-choice, at 42, but still, a little naive into the original Constitutional plan. We’ll try to give him a little slack. he looks better in print than he does in real life. His momma needs to smack him a few times. Back-hand, of course

    • I agree that Bush was not a very articulate defender of conservatism or even of his own policies or the military when slandered by so-called WMD lies and Abu Ghraib. But Jonah assumes that things would have been better or easier (Bush was re-elected, kept us safe after 911, enacted tax cuts that prevented a double dip recession after Clinton’s tech bubble, and essentially won two wars) if Bush had been more articulate.

      Poppycock!

      Reagan was articulate and yet it got so wearying for some conservatives to defend Reagan that even George Will and NRO’s Buckley himself abandoned him after Reykyavick (sp?).

      Rush Limbaugh has long understood and articulated the folly of trying to placate the liberal elite and their moving of the goalposts to defend liberalism.

      Bravo bob, and while I too respect Jonah and NRO, I long ago understood I needed to mask my Southern superiority complex, given those funny DC-NY-Boston accents! and bigotry.

      Mike DeVine, from the South that gave half its votes to a Catholic that called Alabama, Alabamer…

  3. I understand the elite wench in New York Peggy Noonan as well had some utterances with regards to the way Perry speaks, me thinks they doth protest to much. You see I know who these people are, they are the Rockefeller Republicans of the 70s and what we now call the Political Class because they will just as soon vote Democrat then Republican if they can have access, we don’t need them, nor are their little parables wanted. They have yet to recognize that our fight is as much with those of their ilk as it is with the Democrats! We The People have had more then enough, thank you very much!

  4. We’ve got an articulate leader, Dingy Harry told us so! So did Chrissy Mathews, hell Owebama sends tingles up his effete little leg!

    Jonah wants to talk about Leadership and articulation? No problem, lets examine General George S. Patton. The only way in hell Patton could be accused of being articulate was in regards to his his world renowned abilities with profanity. Few today know that General Patton was a poet…

    Now in war we are confronted with conditions which are strange
    If we accept them we will never win.
    Since being realistic, as in mundane combats fistic
    We will get a bloody nose and that’s a sin.

    For in war just as in loving you must keep on shoving
    Or you’ll never get your reward. For if you are dilatory in the search for lust or glory
    You are up shitcreek and that’s the truth, Oh, Lord.

    So let us do real fighting, boring in and gouging, biting.
    Let’s take a chance now that we have the ball.

    Let’s forget those fine firm bases in the dreary shell raked spaces,
    Let’s shoot the works and win! Yes win it all.

    I mentioned his profanity, Patton himself called it eloquence…

    When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty. It may not sound nice to some bunch of little old ladies at an afternoon tea party, but it helps my soldiers to remember. You can’t run an army without profanity; and it has to be eloquent profanity. An army without profanity couldn’t fight its way out of a piss-soaked paper bag. … As for the types of comments I make, sometimes I just, By God, get carried away with my own eloquence.

    Jonah, I love you to death but I’m looking for something to get us out of the piss-soaked paper bag we’re in, and I know damn well running our pie-holes ain’t gonna do it!

      • Let’s see…Patton – serious about winning wars or just an example of “folksiness”? Perry- Sixty years old, flew C130’s, Governor for ten years of the largest state in the Union and one of the largest economies in the world – serious or just folksy? “Nor do I mind folksiness per se. Mississippi governor Haley Barbour can talk seriously and colorfully at the same time. But this time around, folksiness isn’t a substitute for seriousness, and I have very little patience for those who pretend otherwise.” I know, Jonah. Serious conservatism demands the patience of Job, doesn’t it? WWBS about who he would rather be governed by? You know, Jonah ….Buckley?

        • LOL, Jonah has probably never seen it’s like, but I doubt anyone on the receiving end of a Patton ass-chewing thought of him as folksy, but I bet they knew damn well exactly where they stood. I’m willing to bet Governor Perry is similar in that respect as well.

  5. Jonah Goldberg should take a leaf from the founder of NR, William F. Buckley, Jr. During the NYC mayoralty race of 1965, which really put Buckley in the spotlight, liberals would attack him thus: How can you be a third party spoiler and torpedo the chances of “Republican”, telegenic, articulate, JFK-like John Lindsay, thus electing Lindsay’s Democratic opponent, the untelegenic Abraham Beame, a bookkeeperish geak who warned the city about its spending problems.

    Buckley called it snobbery, and correctly said Beame would be a better mayor. Lindsay won, and drove NYC into the bankruptcy that occurred shortly after he left office. Beame became mayor eight years later, but it was too late to fix the damage.

    The city’s elites, have, of course, learned nothing since.

  1. My sentiments exactly. Jonah is good on most days, but today, he came a cropper.

    At first when I read the Goldberg article I expected him to be warning of a “personality cult” problem with Perry. You know, people flocking to his campaign on his atmospherics alone instead of for his ideals & values (and of course policies). Not that I see a cult forming; rather, that he is a fairly charismatic person and it is something to watch for.

    Still scratching my head over this article by Goldberg. What is the purpose? He may as well have written “Why I’m reconciled to Romney” or “Why I’m holding out for Christie” or whatever.

    In any case, I wish he had crumpled this one up and tossed it into the dustbin.

    But then (we) I wouldn’t have had the pleasure of the present dispatch. 🙂

  2. Great insights, Bob. And yes, Jonah is a kid-by-choice, at 42, but still, a little naive into the original Constitutional plan. We’ll try to give him a little slack. he looks better in print than he does in real life. His momma needs to smack him a few times. Back-hand, of course

    • I agree that Bush was not a very articulate defender of conservatism or even of his own policies or the military when slandered by so-called WMD lies and Abu Ghraib. But Jonah assumes that things would have been better or easier (Bush was re-elected, kept us safe after 911, enacted tax cuts that prevented a double dip recession after Clinton’s tech bubble, and essentially won two wars) if Bush had been more articulate.

      Poppycock!

      Reagan was articulate and yet it got so wearying for some conservatives to defend Reagan that even George Will and NRO’s Buckley himself abandoned him after Reykyavick (sp?).

      Rush Limbaugh has long understood and articulated the folly of trying to placate the liberal elite and their moving of the goalposts to defend liberalism.

      Bravo bob, and while I too respect Jonah and NRO, I long ago understood I needed to mask my Southern superiority complex, given those funny DC-NY-Boston accents! and bigotry.

      Mike DeVine, from the South that gave half its votes to a Catholic that called Alabama, Alabamer…

  3. I understand the elite wench in New York Peggy Noonan as well had some utterances with regards to the way Perry speaks, me thinks they doth protest to much. You see I know who these people are, they are the Rockefeller Republicans of the 70s and what we now call the Political Class because they will just as soon vote Democrat then Republican if they can have access, we don’t need them, nor are their little parables wanted. They have yet to recognize that our fight is as much with those of their ilk as it is with the Democrats! We The People have had more then enough, thank you very much!

  4. We’ve got an articulate leader, Dingy Harry told us so! So did Chrissy Mathews, hell Owebama sends tingles up his effete little leg!

    Jonah wants to talk about Leadership and articulation? No problem, lets examine General George S. Patton. The only way in hell Patton could be accused of being articulate was in regards to his his world renowned abilities with profanity. Few today know that General Patton was a poet…

    Now in war we are confronted with conditions which are strange
    If we accept them we will never win.
    Since being realistic, as in mundane combats fistic
    We will get a bloody nose and that’s a sin.

    For in war just as in loving you must keep on shoving
    Or you’ll never get your reward. For if you are dilatory in the search for lust or glory
    You are up shitcreek and that’s the truth, Oh, Lord.

    So let us do real fighting, boring in and gouging, biting.
    Let’s take a chance now that we have the ball.

    Let’s forget those fine firm bases in the dreary shell raked spaces,
    Let’s shoot the works and win! Yes win it all.

    I mentioned his profanity, Patton himself called it eloquence…

    When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty. It may not sound nice to some bunch of little old ladies at an afternoon tea party, but it helps my soldiers to remember. You can’t run an army without profanity; and it has to be eloquent profanity. An army without profanity couldn’t fight its way out of a piss-soaked paper bag. … As for the types of comments I make, sometimes I just, By God, get carried away with my own eloquence.

    Jonah, I love you to death but I’m looking for something to get us out of the piss-soaked paper bag we’re in, and I know damn well running our pie-holes ain’t gonna do it!

      • Let’s see…Patton – serious about winning wars or just an example of “folksiness”? Perry- Sixty years old, flew C130’s, Governor for ten years of the largest state in the Union and one of the largest economies in the world – serious or just folksy? “Nor do I mind folksiness per se. Mississippi governor Haley Barbour can talk seriously and colorfully at the same time. But this time around, folksiness isn’t a substitute for seriousness, and I have very little patience for those who pretend otherwise.” I know, Jonah. Serious conservatism demands the patience of Job, doesn’t it? WWBS about who he would rather be governed by? You know, Jonah ….Buckley?

        • LOL, Jonah has probably never seen it’s like, but I doubt anyone on the receiving end of a Patton ass-chewing thought of him as folksy, but I bet they knew damn well exactly where they stood. I’m willing to bet Governor Perry is similar in that respect as well.

  5. Jonah Goldberg should take a leaf from the founder of NR, William F. Buckley, Jr. During the NYC mayoralty race of 1965, which really put Buckley in the spotlight, liberals would attack him thus: How can you be a third party spoiler and torpedo the chances of “Republican”, telegenic, articulate, JFK-like John Lindsay, thus electing Lindsay’s Democratic opponent, the untelegenic Abraham Beame, a bookkeeperish geak who warned the city about its spending problems.

    Buckley called it snobbery, and correctly said Beame would be a better mayor. Lindsay won, and drove NYC into the bankruptcy that occurred shortly after he left office. Beame became mayor eight years later, but it was too late to fix the damage.

    The city’s elites, have, of course, learned nothing since.

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