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The Morning After The Event

In the aftermath of the GOP Presidential debate in New Hampshire, the DC and establishment-centric bloggers have all pronounced the winners and the loser. They have all decided that Romney, Bachmann, and Gingrich won. The biggest loser of the night was Pawlenty. I am going to listen to Rush for his take on this later today. Here are my morning after reflections.

I do not believe any of the candidates hurt themselves last night. For me, the biggest losers of the event were the sponsors and moderators; their agenda – to advance a negative narrative about the GOP – failed. The narrative being…GOP candidates are far right wing nut jobs that can be made to argue with each other over who is the most conservative. This agenda started with who they invited. Gary Johnson does not fit their narrative and so he was not invited.

The obvious pushing of the moderators own agenda was easily seen in their  attempts to start arguments between the GOP candidates. They tried to get Pawlenty into a fight with Romney over individual mandates for health care. Pawlenty didn’t fall for the bait, and simply said that it is Obama who has said he used what Romney did in MA to create Obama care. They tried to get Romney into a fight with Cain about hiring a Muslim to work for you. Cain refused to allow them to misconstrue what he  was saying, and no fight occurred. They tried to get a fight started between Bachmann and Pawlenty, and a fight between Santorum and Romney over who was more pro life. Each time they failed.

The event did help me to discern some differences the candidates have on same sex marriage.  I also observed variations on leadership styles. On same sex marriage, Herman Cain and Ron Paul favored the decision on same sex marriage to be made state by state, and the rest of the candidates favored a constitutional amendment that would define marriage as between a man and a woman. Michelle Bachmann tried to be on both sides of this issue by saying she did not want to fight a state over this issue and she supports a constitutional amendment. On comander-in-chief  leadership questions, I thought that Pawlenty, Paul, Bachmann, and Santorum came across strong.  Cain, Romney, and Gingrich were cautious in giving their answers without first getting information from the generals in the field. While there are major differences between Santorum and Paul on military policy, they were both strong about what they envision.

Two of the most enjoyable moments of the night for me were when they tried to have Pawlenty be critical of Sarah Palin. He did not take the bait, and instead he praised Sarah and slammed vice-president Biden as being wrong and in error on everything he said and did. On another occasion Pawlenty reflected on how his friends and family from the blue collar town he grew up in were Reagan Democrats who are Rush listeners nowadays.

I believe the 2012 group of GOP contenders are stronger than the 2008 candidate offerings.  This group knows how to confront what Andrew Breitbart calls the Democrat Media Complex.  They also know the means by which the Left is going to try and create dissension, divisions, and chaos among the candidates. So far the candidates have refused to allow that to happen.

pilgrim
I am retired after 36 years of being a state of Indiana employee. I enjoy writing and reading conservative blogs.

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  1. I did not watch the debates, ‘pil. I’ve learned to save myself some heartburn over the way our side gets treated by the malignant media. Much better to get honest appraisals from folks like you.

    It does seem like this crop of candidates may be willing to confront the other side of the political aisle. We desperately need them to do so. Whoever our 2012 candidate is, they better make sure they continue in the same vein when they actually come against Mr. Obama.

  2. The most important agenda re the GOP nomination process for CNN and other main stream media (and their Dem Party allies) is to make sure that Romney remains the front-runner and at least viable, despite his many negatives, by the time we get to Iowa and New Hampshire. Because a Romney candidacy essentially takes ObamaCare off the table despite Mitt’s blanket waiver promise (waivers don’t effect regulations on private insurance, and may not be effective and/or even be granted after a certain date.

    So on the goal of protecting Romney, the MSM succeeded last night. When the lede in so many MSM stories is how ObamaCare was a tangential issue at best, the left wins.

    It is early in the process, but sooner rather than later, this rooster thinks it best that our true conservative candidates discredit Romney as not only not a true frontrunner, but as also as unviable; much as Obama’s support for ObamaCare makes him unviable as President.

    The longer we go with conservative candidates staying silent on Romney, the more likely that potential voters see us as calculating pols that don’t stand for conservative principles, even to the point of being mute on ObamaCare.

    more later

    PS I was happy to see Paws use the term ObamneyCare…

    • I like what I have heard Rush say today about last night’s event. He said that the liberals are disappointed that the GOP candidates did not fight and attack each other about their positions on gays and abortion. All of them kept the focus of their attacks on Obama.

      • Yes, the left media seeks to pick such irrelevant fights that keep the focus off of the Obama Depression, but one thing that sustains the depression is ObamneyCare and eventually we conservatives will need to have a fight that knocks Mitt out of the Republican nomination quest. Coolidge and Reagan are all we have to show for 100 years. Only a conservative President can effect a Reconstruction after Obama’s war to fundamentally change America. We can and should beat Obama. We need not fear having fights within the party and in public that discredits Mitt and the other establishment/moderate types that give lip service and more to the man-made global warming hoax as a serious matter that justifies higher energy prices and ObamaCare.

  3. In part answer to GC, the conserrvative candidates won’t have to go after Mitt directly this year, as he will likely smite himself with his own words. 9Global warming didn’t come up.) Interestingly, instead of changing the tenor of the debates, Mitt had to join the cacophony, started last time in SC…all these candidates are going to go after Obama full bore, and frankly, Mitt can’t keep it up. His “other” speeches to donor groups will catch up with him.

    Big win for conservatives last night…all of them.

    You’re right, Pil, the media wants a less strident candidate to take on Obama. I think Mitt, and also Huntsman, just can’t fake that kind of sincerity. And Newy acquitted himself very well. Still not a winner, though.

    • Mitt won’t fall of his own weight. If Paws wants the nomination, he can’t be timid forever. But, its only June. That said, Paws behavior was quite inexplicable given the earlier dubbing of ObamaCare as Obamneycare and then the refusal to engage. Not encouraging for an early Paws supporter like a certain rooster I know who favors proven conservative governors if he can find one that is also a good candidate on the issues and willing to fight for the conservative solutions that can save the nation. I don’t doubt that Mitt will get attacked by other candidates, eventually. I just don’t want the GOP to giev the impression that his positions on ObamaCare and global warming, ie energy policy, ie high food and gasoline prices…is acceptable in a Republican nominee. Mitt’s positions on those issues should be anathema to getting the nomination, much as Ron Paul’s kooky vies on foreign policy make him unacceptable as Commander-in-Chief.

      more later

  1. I did not watch the debates, ‘pil. I’ve learned to save myself some heartburn over the way our side gets treated by the malignant media. Much better to get honest appraisals from folks like you.

    It does seem like this crop of candidates may be willing to confront the other side of the political aisle. We desperately need them to do so. Whoever our 2012 candidate is, they better make sure they continue in the same vein when they actually come against Mr. Obama.

  2. The most important agenda re the GOP nomination process for CNN and other main stream media (and their Dem Party allies) is to make sure that Romney remains the front-runner and at least viable, despite his many negatives, by the time we get to Iowa and New Hampshire. Because a Romney candidacy essentially takes ObamaCare off the table despite Mitt’s blanket waiver promise (waivers don’t effect regulations on private insurance, and may not be effective and/or even be granted after a certain date.

    So on the goal of protecting Romney, the MSM succeeded last night. When the lede in so many MSM stories is how ObamaCare was a tangential issue at best, the left wins.

    It is early in the process, but sooner rather than later, this rooster thinks it best that our true conservative candidates discredit Romney as not only not a true frontrunner, but as also as unviable; much as Obama’s support for ObamaCare makes him unviable as President.

    The longer we go with conservative candidates staying silent on Romney, the more likely that potential voters see us as calculating pols that don’t stand for conservative principles, even to the point of being mute on ObamaCare.

    more later

    PS I was happy to see Paws use the term ObamneyCare…

    • I like what I have heard Rush say today about last night’s event. He said that the liberals are disappointed that the GOP candidates did not fight and attack each other about their positions on gays and abortion. All of them kept the focus of their attacks on Obama.

      • Yes, the left media seeks to pick such irrelevant fights that keep the focus off of the Obama Depression, but one thing that sustains the depression is ObamneyCare and eventually we conservatives will need to have a fight that knocks Mitt out of the Republican nomination quest. Coolidge and Reagan are all we have to show for 100 years. Only a conservative President can effect a Reconstruction after Obama’s war to fundamentally change America. We can and should beat Obama. We need not fear having fights within the party and in public that discredits Mitt and the other establishment/moderate types that give lip service and more to the man-made global warming hoax as a serious matter that justifies higher energy prices and ObamaCare.

  3. In part answer to GC, the conserrvative candidates won’t have to go after Mitt directly this year, as he will likely smite himself with his own words. 9Global warming didn’t come up.) Interestingly, instead of changing the tenor of the debates, Mitt had to join the cacophony, started last time in SC…all these candidates are going to go after Obama full bore, and frankly, Mitt can’t keep it up. His “other” speeches to donor groups will catch up with him.

    Big win for conservatives last night…all of them.

    You’re right, Pil, the media wants a less strident candidate to take on Obama. I think Mitt, and also Huntsman, just can’t fake that kind of sincerity. And Newy acquitted himself very well. Still not a winner, though.

    • Mitt won’t fall of his own weight. If Paws wants the nomination, he can’t be timid forever. But, its only June. That said, Paws behavior was quite inexplicable given the earlier dubbing of ObamaCare as Obamneycare and then the refusal to engage. Not encouraging for an early Paws supporter like a certain rooster I know who favors proven conservative governors if he can find one that is also a good candidate on the issues and willing to fight for the conservative solutions that can save the nation. I don’t doubt that Mitt will get attacked by other candidates, eventually. I just don’t want the GOP to giev the impression that his positions on ObamaCare and global warming, ie energy policy, ie high food and gasoline prices…is acceptable in a Republican nominee. Mitt’s positions on those issues should be anathema to getting the nomination, much as Ron Paul’s kooky vies on foreign policy make him unacceptable as Commander-in-Chief.

      more later

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