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The Serious Side of Weinergate

Let me be clear, Anthony Weiner should be drummed from office.

With enthusiasm. With clanging pots and pans tied to his ankles. Amidst children crying, and loud boos and hisses. Send him packing, preferably strapped to the front end of a cow-catcher. His district should burn at least this member’s proudest member in effigy in front of his district office in Queens.

But not because he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar (poor choice of metaphors, I know, under these delicious circumstances), but because of the craven way in which he has tried to wiggle out of it (again, a lost opportunity).

The Viral Lie

Weiner used a template that we must also drum from public office: the Bart Simpson, “You can’t prove it” lie.

Weiner’s manner of trying to lie his way out of a scrape has been a common template in America for at least 20 years now. (Someone ring Mitch McConnell up and tell him this, for I don’t think he knows it.) It is based on a premise that will destroy any civilization if allowed to go unchecked.

We can no longer afford to raise the Lie Ceiling anymore, either. Our checkbook is empty in the Bank of Honor as well.

You see this kind of lie is made everyday, not just on the news with any Democrat (name anyone) in front of a microphone, but on the internet. It surrounds 90% of all the so-called debates and comments and blogs that exist, from HuffPo to DailyKos.

For twenty years Republicans couldn’t figure out how to defend against it. It was so…well, legal. Today I doubt most even recognize it, that is how perverse it has become.

Many right wing blogs also taste its nectar, for once a Lie can become free, with no consequences attached, it transcends political lines. It infests entire generations.  What was notorious because it was so rare in Bill Clinton (my generation) is now commonplace even on some of the more respectable conservatives programs and blogs. The “unprovable lie” has become cultural.

And Anthony Weiner is just a symptom.

Truth vs Truth by Gavel

Underlying the Anthony Weiner/Bart Simpson defense of truly a miraculous theft of his cell phone and Twitter account, is a template, namely that

…in America a fact isn’t a fact anymore until or unless someone in authority brings a gavel down and declares that it is one.

We all know there are legal truths, such as a man’s guilt in a crime, when he must first be tried and convicted. He is innocent until proven guilty. But unlike our rights laid out in the Constitution, this right isn’t universal, or immutable.

I would hate to see a man go to jail for a crime he didn’t commit, but I am quite sure there was never an innocent politician ever driven from office, even as Bob Torricelli screamed he’d been framed, and Weiner is now.

Slowly the past forty years or so, we have been conditioned to believe that it is a sin…to the extent a godless people can actually sin…to “judge” another UNTIL THAT GAVEL HAS BEEN BROUGHT DOWN.

We are reminded daily that now the people have no authority over anything anymore, but there is still an authority over everything, even if the State hasn’t gotten around to putting out regulations on it yet. God is not included in this recipe.

Under this rule, political speech in general, Anthony Weiner’s, Harry Reid’s, Barack Obama’s in particular, fall into a giant loop-hole, for it is speech specifically designed to be unreachable by that gavel. It is speech that is designed to insure that there can never be, as in a courtroom, both plaintiff’s and defendant’s evidence presented. Hence, no judgment.

A controlled, one-side media can ensure this at least to the point that contrary evidence is exiled to a separate universe (talk radio, the right wing blogosphere, or the kitchen table) so that no matter how preponderant the evidence, (70% range, as current polls about Obamacare, or 60% range on abortion, etc, etc) “fairness” (another code word) dictates these can only be opinions, minority opinions,  and never, never is be rendered as part of any kind of public judgment.

Truth can only come out of the end of gavel.

This is where we need to take the “law of fairness” into our own hands.

Is Anthony Weiner guilty? Bet your best sidearm he is. Only I don’t care if he’s ever brought up on criminal charges. I want him punished, and I want him punished swiftly. Like right now. I want him to feel the public’s boot on his behind.

There is no entitlement to legal due process in politics. (There is no entitlement to due process in political advertising as some malefactors will find out this year.)

The Bart Simpson “you can’t prove it” lie has become the ruling template in current American politics, for all the lies, at Kos, at AARP, at SEIU, AFL-CIO, and Harry Reid’s office are always offered in a venue where those lies can never be exposed to the people’s gavel.

We know how this game is played, and have begun to interdict it.

To discern truth requires the ability and willingness to judge.  But to judge a thing, any thing, is bad, we are told.

Who we should judge first are those who are telling us this, and then most of our problems will be solved.

vassarbushmills
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  1. So true. This is the end result of the spread of the wrong, evil, malicious assertion that Truth is only an opinion. If Truth is only an opinion, then we can have two incompatible truths and be unable to determine which one is really True. I guarantee that using one Truth will lead to success in the world and the other will lead to failure, but playing along with an idiotic assertion that truth is relative will lead to massive failure every time, for those who insist that truth is relative also insist their typically false “truth” be tried first. Multiculturalism, maybe that’s it. Or maybe it’s just the Dada/Gramscian attack on rationality. Whatever, you are right. We need to flush the assertion that truth is relative and can only be determined for good in court.

  2. Preach on VB! Yes, we as a culture long ago exalted judges and juries as the ONLY arbiter of truth worthy of there being a consequence. When juries and judges are only there for the purpose of determining if the government can take away your liberty or if civil damages should be assessed. They were never intended to be a substitute for common sense re political consequences or employer decisions etc.

  3. Each member of the Enemy &copy knows this; they wiggle and squirm to avoid being caught red-handed in an outright lie. ‘Is this a picture of you’ is a yes/no/don’t know kind of a question; requires no babbling about ‘certitude’, or lawyers.

    If this Weiner dude had two functioning brain cells, he’d have ignored the whole issue; would’ve gone away on it’s own in a day or two. Just laugh at the questioner, shake your head, and keep walking…

  4. The heroes of today are the Glenn Becks, the James O’Keefe’s, the girl who exposed Planned Parenthood, the guy who hacked the East Anglia E-mails, Rep. Joe Wilson of Carolina, Justice Sam Alito, as well as others..Breitbart, Malkin, some of our folks. They have emboldened some governors and State Attorney Generals. Some times all it takes for evil to be defeated is for good people to do something, however small it might seem at the moment. “Just Say No” is a good slogan for a lot of causes.

  5. When I saw the headline for this article — Serious side of Weinergate — I thought “GOOD! Finally, something other than the usual drivel”.

    If the picture was of Weiner’s shorts, and he sent them himself — he probably should resign, and immediately.

    But your statement was that he should be drummed out of office — and that’s goofy. We have what we call elections — look them up. It’s part of the Constitution you pretend to honor so highly.

    And your reasons for this intense desire to “drum him out of office” — is rambling goofiness. Something about a one sided media, something about the Lie Celing.

    Clearly these are your pet theories, goofy or not. Valid or not. No matter what happens, you seem to think it is proof positive your peet theories are correct.

    Which probably shows more of the emptiness of your theories than anything else.

    Lets find out what happened, and if it’s criminal (not apparently) prosecute. But let the people of his district decide — not some guy outside h is district with pet theories that are self validating to himself.

    In other words, give the Constitution a chance.

    • Finally, a contrarian, thanks for coming in. I hope you will stay, and perhaps even learn some things. Reading with comprehension is a good start, as I think you missed totally what I was writing about.

      There is nothing “goofy” about asking that “liars” be banished from Congress. Are you attacking me for my shortcomings for not being able to explain myself very well or your own for not being able to read worth a damn? Are you defending the role the “lie” now plays in American political theater?

      That’s what this was all about, and everyone but you seemed to get it.

      Hope to see you the next go’round.I recommend some target practice first.
      Cordially

    • Right there: Proof in the pudding.

      Lets find out what happened, and if it’s criminal (not apparently) prosecute. But let the people of his district decide — not some guy outside h is district with pet theories that are self validating to himself.

      This is exactly what the post was about and here’s our only Weiner defender saying exactly that. If it’s not illegal, it’s no big deal. “Give the Constitution a chance.” Well, yes, if by chance, you mean vote the SOB out of office if he’s not embarrassed enough to resign.

      But I agree with the Dispatch. In another age, he would have been humiliated and shunned by voters and colleagues alike due to his embarrassingly obvious lies and obfuscations.

      Weiner has no honor. He sent a woman who was not his wife a picture of his engorged dong. And then he lied and blamed someone (anonymous “hacker”) for it. No honor.

      These are the cheap substitutes for leaders we are producing these days. Our founding fathers pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor for our freedom. We have a guy who makes mocking lies about the size of his wiener when questioned about dishonorable behavior. We should be ashamed of ourselves.

      We are like children who inherit a fortune and an honorable name and play Lindsey Lohan with it. Weiner, Lee, Franks, Schumer, Clinton, Obama, Geithner, Rangel, et al only act the way they do because the people of America have traded our heritage for a bowl of beans and a cradle to grave nannystate.

      • The poster, who I hope will come back, may just have been unwise in the ways of the world, law and politics, instead of a cynical Dem of Weiner and the Dem playbook, QH. He could just be young, there’s a lot of that going around these days.

        Of the world, because he does understand that no civilization can survive that allows ‘lying to be a part of its daily fabric. It is survival endangering.

        Of the law, because there is no way to compel Weiner to defend himself, short of an indictment, or a Hose Ethics Hearing, which would very costly. And also of the law, because he doesn’t understand that Weiner’s deflections are themselves evidence against him that he is guilty. Weiner makes a distinction between the 1st Class lie and the 2nd class Bart Simpson lie (you can’t prove it.) In truth there isn’t and we should begin enforcing.

        Of politics, because this is the very loop hole I mentioned. Three GOP congressmen were caught in compromising situations, all legal but embarassing, but resigned immediately. Not because their constituents forced them out, but because they had broken faith with the contract their had with their own party and colleagues. The Dem’s live under no such honor code, although if we can make it hot enough, they will throw Weiner under the just as quickly.

        I’m for making them pay,

        • I agree that Dems have no honor code. When it gets hot enough like it did with Rep. Bill ‘in my freezer’ Jefferson or to a lesser degree Rep. Charlie ‘slum lord’ Rangell they throw them under the bus.

      • Gorgeous, concise summary of where the country is QH especially those who still think we just need to give Obama some “more time.” As for Weiner, I thought about it, if he resigned or were run out of office his district would just replace him with another obnoxious LibDem. He won’t get out of this without a lot of permanent baggage and negative association with his name wherever he shows up in the future..Leave him in there more rot piled up on the Dems’ stinkingwagon. It will pull them down sooner or later. If they were truly smart *they* would jettison *him*. Or maybe he has *stuff* on the Dem leadership?

  6. Well done Vassar. I was sure that if I heard another word about the Weiner I’d puke, but as usual, you’ve seen through the BS and cut right to the heart of the matter.

    One thing though: Why is this ‘Innocent until proven Guilty’ meme only applied to the lib/dems? I know I know, the MSM plays a big part in the one-sided presentations, but the ‘masses’ seem to follow that lead all too willingly. Any thoughts?

      • We owe so much to the MSM and Clinton for this new age of acceptance of overt lying by Dem pols.First they wouldn’t touch any story about his (Clinton’s)serial philandering; then when Drudge and National Enquirer started doing their jobs for them on it,the MSM approached it from: “OK he’s in trouble but look how masterfully Clinton parses words, we have never had a parser like this in history in the WH!” – cuing, that we the masses were supposed to be impressed.I still believe in the end some politician who has done right, or done wrong, quiickly fessed up and walked the straight line since then,—and bottom line not broken faith with the American people—-will be appreciated and elevated to high office some day. Are we wrong to hope for a return to small town morality, Vassar?

        • We are wrong not to demand it, CJ, which is why, in answer to your other comment, it is important to run the “lie” out of office on a public, national scale. I don’t care if they just replace him with another. Take away the “lie” and the Left loses one of its biggest weapons. If Brooklyn doesn’t notice, so what.

          • And the problem with The Lie© (and They know this all too well) is that with frequent & extended repetition, The Lie becomes part of the Popular Culture and eventually Conventional Wisdom. How many folks, not being political junkies, believe poor Weiner was ‘hacked’? That’s why it’s imperative we run The Lie out of town, loudly and publicly, on a rail.

          • VB,Mrig, your observations and the article have persuaded me. I see The Big Lie is a tool they’ve been intentionally, affirmatively using to advantage and for that reason (among others) must be defeated. It isnt enough to ignore Weiner and let him fester – my viewpoint is deficient. I guess that correspondence course I took in Modern American Politics from the Snooki Polizzi Institute of Current Affairs in NJ hasn’t helped me at all.

  1. So true. This is the end result of the spread of the wrong, evil, malicious assertion that Truth is only an opinion. If Truth is only an opinion, then we can have two incompatible truths and be unable to determine which one is really True. I guarantee that using one Truth will lead to success in the world and the other will lead to failure, but playing along with an idiotic assertion that truth is relative will lead to massive failure every time, for those who insist that truth is relative also insist their typically false “truth” be tried first. Multiculturalism, maybe that’s it. Or maybe it’s just the Dada/Gramscian attack on rationality. Whatever, you are right. We need to flush the assertion that truth is relative and can only be determined for good in court.

  2. Preach on VB! Yes, we as a culture long ago exalted judges and juries as the ONLY arbiter of truth worthy of there being a consequence. When juries and judges are only there for the purpose of determining if the government can take away your liberty or if civil damages should be assessed. They were never intended to be a substitute for common sense re political consequences or employer decisions etc.

  3. Each member of the Enemy &copy knows this; they wiggle and squirm to avoid being caught red-handed in an outright lie. ‘Is this a picture of you’ is a yes/no/don’t know kind of a question; requires no babbling about ‘certitude’, or lawyers.

    If this Weiner dude had two functioning brain cells, he’d have ignored the whole issue; would’ve gone away on it’s own in a day or two. Just laugh at the questioner, shake your head, and keep walking…

  4. The heroes of today are the Glenn Becks, the James O’Keefe’s, the girl who exposed Planned Parenthood, the guy who hacked the East Anglia E-mails, Rep. Joe Wilson of Carolina, Justice Sam Alito, as well as others..Breitbart, Malkin, some of our folks. They have emboldened some governors and State Attorney Generals. Some times all it takes for evil to be defeated is for good people to do something, however small it might seem at the moment. “Just Say No” is a good slogan for a lot of causes.

  5. When I saw the headline for this article — Serious side of Weinergate — I thought “GOOD! Finally, something other than the usual drivel”.

    If the picture was of Weiner’s shorts, and he sent them himself — he probably should resign, and immediately.

    But your statement was that he should be drummed out of office — and that’s goofy. We have what we call elections — look them up. It’s part of the Constitution you pretend to honor so highly.

    And your reasons for this intense desire to “drum him out of office” — is rambling goofiness. Something about a one sided media, something about the Lie Celing.

    Clearly these are your pet theories, goofy or not. Valid or not. No matter what happens, you seem to think it is proof positive your peet theories are correct.

    Which probably shows more of the emptiness of your theories than anything else.

    Lets find out what happened, and if it’s criminal (not apparently) prosecute. But let the people of his district decide — not some guy outside h is district with pet theories that are self validating to himself.

    In other words, give the Constitution a chance.

    • Finally, a contrarian, thanks for coming in. I hope you will stay, and perhaps even learn some things. Reading with comprehension is a good start, as I think you missed totally what I was writing about.

      There is nothing “goofy” about asking that “liars” be banished from Congress. Are you attacking me for my shortcomings for not being able to explain myself very well or your own for not being able to read worth a damn? Are you defending the role the “lie” now plays in American political theater?

      That’s what this was all about, and everyone but you seemed to get it.

      Hope to see you the next go’round.I recommend some target practice first.
      Cordially

    • Right there: Proof in the pudding.

      Lets find out what happened, and if it’s criminal (not apparently) prosecute. But let the people of his district decide — not some guy outside h is district with pet theories that are self validating to himself.

      This is exactly what the post was about and here’s our only Weiner defender saying exactly that. If it’s not illegal, it’s no big deal. “Give the Constitution a chance.” Well, yes, if by chance, you mean vote the SOB out of office if he’s not embarrassed enough to resign.

      But I agree with the Dispatch. In another age, he would have been humiliated and shunned by voters and colleagues alike due to his embarrassingly obvious lies and obfuscations.

      Weiner has no honor. He sent a woman who was not his wife a picture of his engorged dong. And then he lied and blamed someone (anonymous “hacker”) for it. No honor.

      These are the cheap substitutes for leaders we are producing these days. Our founding fathers pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor for our freedom. We have a guy who makes mocking lies about the size of his wiener when questioned about dishonorable behavior. We should be ashamed of ourselves.

      We are like children who inherit a fortune and an honorable name and play Lindsey Lohan with it. Weiner, Lee, Franks, Schumer, Clinton, Obama, Geithner, Rangel, et al only act the way they do because the people of America have traded our heritage for a bowl of beans and a cradle to grave nannystate.

      • The poster, who I hope will come back, may just have been unwise in the ways of the world, law and politics, instead of a cynical Dem of Weiner and the Dem playbook, QH. He could just be young, there’s a lot of that going around these days.

        Of the world, because he does understand that no civilization can survive that allows ‘lying to be a part of its daily fabric. It is survival endangering.

        Of the law, because there is no way to compel Weiner to defend himself, short of an indictment, or a Hose Ethics Hearing, which would very costly. And also of the law, because he doesn’t understand that Weiner’s deflections are themselves evidence against him that he is guilty. Weiner makes a distinction between the 1st Class lie and the 2nd class Bart Simpson lie (you can’t prove it.) In truth there isn’t and we should begin enforcing.

        Of politics, because this is the very loop hole I mentioned. Three GOP congressmen were caught in compromising situations, all legal but embarassing, but resigned immediately. Not because their constituents forced them out, but because they had broken faith with the contract their had with their own party and colleagues. The Dem’s live under no such honor code, although if we can make it hot enough, they will throw Weiner under the just as quickly.

        I’m for making them pay,

        • I agree that Dems have no honor code. When it gets hot enough like it did with Rep. Bill ‘in my freezer’ Jefferson or to a lesser degree Rep. Charlie ‘slum lord’ Rangell they throw them under the bus.

      • Gorgeous, concise summary of where the country is QH especially those who still think we just need to give Obama some “more time.” As for Weiner, I thought about it, if he resigned or were run out of office his district would just replace him with another obnoxious LibDem. He won’t get out of this without a lot of permanent baggage and negative association with his name wherever he shows up in the future..Leave him in there more rot piled up on the Dems’ stinkingwagon. It will pull them down sooner or later. If they were truly smart *they* would jettison *him*. Or maybe he has *stuff* on the Dem leadership?

  6. Well done Vassar. I was sure that if I heard another word about the Weiner I’d puke, but as usual, you’ve seen through the BS and cut right to the heart of the matter.

    One thing though: Why is this ‘Innocent until proven Guilty’ meme only applied to the lib/dems? I know I know, the MSM plays a big part in the one-sided presentations, but the ‘masses’ seem to follow that lead all too willingly. Any thoughts?

      • We owe so much to the MSM and Clinton for this new age of acceptance of overt lying by Dem pols.First they wouldn’t touch any story about his (Clinton’s)serial philandering; then when Drudge and National Enquirer started doing their jobs for them on it,the MSM approached it from: “OK he’s in trouble but look how masterfully Clinton parses words, we have never had a parser like this in history in the WH!” – cuing, that we the masses were supposed to be impressed.I still believe in the end some politician who has done right, or done wrong, quiickly fessed up and walked the straight line since then,—and bottom line not broken faith with the American people—-will be appreciated and elevated to high office some day. Are we wrong to hope for a return to small town morality, Vassar?

        • We are wrong not to demand it, CJ, which is why, in answer to your other comment, it is important to run the “lie” out of office on a public, national scale. I don’t care if they just replace him with another. Take away the “lie” and the Left loses one of its biggest weapons. If Brooklyn doesn’t notice, so what.

          • And the problem with The Lie© (and They know this all too well) is that with frequent & extended repetition, The Lie becomes part of the Popular Culture and eventually Conventional Wisdom. How many folks, not being political junkies, believe poor Weiner was ‘hacked’? That’s why it’s imperative we run The Lie out of town, loudly and publicly, on a rail.

          • VB,Mrig, your observations and the article have persuaded me. I see The Big Lie is a tool they’ve been intentionally, affirmatively using to advantage and for that reason (among others) must be defeated. It isnt enough to ignore Weiner and let him fester – my viewpoint is deficient. I guess that correspondence course I took in Modern American Politics from the Snooki Polizzi Institute of Current Affairs in NJ hasn’t helped me at all.

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