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Apostate Church, Thy Name Is Episcopal

Okay, so I’m fairly at a loss for words. Yeah. It’s that bad.

Can someone please show me the Bible passage that establishes Delta Smelt as part of the Body of Christ?

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  1. As disgusting as the churches announcement is, we all know it’s not about the delta smelt, or really about any environmental concern.

    It’s about control.

    Perhaps you are not aware ItsOnlyWords, but the water that was shut off to ‘protect’ the fish devastated one of the few areas of California that is primarily Republican…

  2. I am among the what is now probably less than 40% of the adult communicants currently in the Episcopal Church who were actually RAISED in the Episcopal Church. My family as far back as anyone could ever remember have been baptized/confirmed members of the Episcopal Church. My deceased brother was an Episcopal priest.
    The Episcopal Church is one of only three liturgical churches in the USA and is actually the Anglican Church in North America. As such it was steeped in centuries worth of beautiful (to me, anyway) traditions (notice I say “was”).
    What all here need to understand, if they don’t already, is that in the early 70’s the Episcopal Church got hijacked.
    I grew up in what was then a small town in southern CT about 50 miles from NYC. It was still lovely then… everybody knew everybody, everyone had lots of land so it was peaceful and simple.
    It was also preppie-central. Everyone went to private day schools, then on to waspy boarding schools and then to the “better” colleges and universities. Way back then (the dark ages for some of you), you still wrote your religion on the forms you filled out to rush the fraternities and sororities and may I be the first to assure you that what you wrote on that line was a factor in determining your acceptance or lack of same.
    The “gentleman’s C” was still in effect and you got into schools based as much or more on your family as your grades.
    Despite the fact that the Episcopal Church in North America has always been small in numbers, it has always been staggeringly wealthy and a seriously significant percentage of the aforementioned preppies at the aforementioned schools at that time came from Episcopal families. This was a fact that was not lost on those who wished to have their own skids comparably greased with regard to their careers/income potential.
    Soooo… what to do? In tens of thousands of aha-moments, they joined the Episcopal Church. They did not join because they liked the liturgy or anything else the church had to offer. They joined as a career move, and brought with them “baggage” from whatever church they had attended previously. When I say “baggage” it was simply what they had liked, or that with which they were familiar. In other words, they wanted to SAY they were members of the Episcopal Church, but they really didn’t want to BE members in the true sense of the word. They wanted the Episcopal Church to be their old/other church just with a new name which might get them what they wanted faster and more easily. So those who joined for the wrong reasons began to change it from within… and OMG did it change. They did away with the 1928 prayer book which almost caused a schism in the church… they sold guns to some banana republic in the 70’s… they ordained women and they became so PC that it gives you dry heaves.
    It’s kind of the religious version of how the lefties hijacked the greenies.
    So is the once steeped-in-beautiful-traditions Episcopal Church now a joke? I don’t know. I left. I have about 40 minutes M-F between when I drop my daughter off at work and when I pick my granddaughter up from school. There is a lovely old Episcopal Church right around the corner from her school. My very old and well worn 1928 prayer book and I go in there and I recite the words whose beauty and sameness have brought me comfort for well over 60 years. And rest assured while in that process I am not giving a great deal of thought to the Delta Smelt.

    • It is indeed sad to see the loss of traditions in our society. I was raised Methodist, and each daughter has a different religion. The elder one became Catholic on her own, then when she married, switched to Lutheran. The younger one is Unitarian. They each raise their families to a tradition, whether I may agree with it or not. To me, if The Old Rugged Cross isn’t in the hymnal, it’s just not church. I’m so moss-backed that I like there to be a piano or organ, just like in my grandma’s day. I’m sure in early times they clung to their timbrels and tambourines just as bitterly.

  3. A friend of mine is a Methodist and attended her chosen church happily enough until the pastor decided to have a “Unification Service” one Sunday. His plans for the service were much talked about ahead of time because he wanted things set up a certain way on the altar and needed the various committees involved.

    Where things hit the fan was when the congregation found out that he was planning on putting a copy of the Bible, the Koran, and the Torah all on the altar as equally valid. That particular service never happened. This is a small town in the South and that was so far over the line for folks that it threatened to split the church into splinters. The pastor left and is now happily ensconced as a chaplain at a very liberal southern university.

  4. The “High Church” as Florence King used to call it, is the font of all liberalism/progressivism, racism, imperial socialism, haughtyism and country club republicanism and democratism. All they had to do was run Jesus out, which they started back in the 60’s.

    Many Episcopal dioceses in the US have aligned themselves with the Afrifcan bishoprics, where Jesus is still welcome.

    • Interesting observation. Particularly about how some US Episcopal churches are aligning with the African ones in order to return to tradtion. Speaking historically and not doctrinally, it has been something of a truism that if you want to see best core tradition and function of an empire, paraticularly after a period of time, go to its frontiers, not its heart. I.e., if you want to see some of the strongest Eastern Orthodox communities with beautiful churches today, go to Alaska not Moscow. If you want to hear the closest spoken, living Romance language compared to how Latin sounded at the height of the Roman Empire, don’t go to Rome, go to Spain. And the British themselves admit grudgingly some of the best spoken English is in South Africa, and best written use of the language was in the 18th century in America – right about the time Jefferson penned the Declaration and the Framers wrote the Constitution – imagine that.

  5. Two non citizens, Daniel Hannan and Mark Steyn, and there are others, beg and plead with us to stop and recognize what we’ve got and not to let it all get swept away, or “transfomed”.

  1. As disgusting as the churches announcement is, we all know it’s not about the delta smelt, or really about any environmental concern.

    It’s about control.

    Perhaps you are not aware ItsOnlyWords, but the water that was shut off to ‘protect’ the fish devastated one of the few areas of California that is primarily Republican…

  2. I am among the what is now probably less than 40% of the adult communicants currently in the Episcopal Church who were actually RAISED in the Episcopal Church. My family as far back as anyone could ever remember have been baptized/confirmed members of the Episcopal Church. My deceased brother was an Episcopal priest.
    The Episcopal Church is one of only three liturgical churches in the USA and is actually the Anglican Church in North America. As such it was steeped in centuries worth of beautiful (to me, anyway) traditions (notice I say “was”).
    What all here need to understand, if they don’t already, is that in the early 70’s the Episcopal Church got hijacked.
    I grew up in what was then a small town in southern CT about 50 miles from NYC. It was still lovely then… everybody knew everybody, everyone had lots of land so it was peaceful and simple.
    It was also preppie-central. Everyone went to private day schools, then on to waspy boarding schools and then to the “better” colleges and universities. Way back then (the dark ages for some of you), you still wrote your religion on the forms you filled out to rush the fraternities and sororities and may I be the first to assure you that what you wrote on that line was a factor in determining your acceptance or lack of same.
    The “gentleman’s C” was still in effect and you got into schools based as much or more on your family as your grades.
    Despite the fact that the Episcopal Church in North America has always been small in numbers, it has always been staggeringly wealthy and a seriously significant percentage of the aforementioned preppies at the aforementioned schools at that time came from Episcopal families. This was a fact that was not lost on those who wished to have their own skids comparably greased with regard to their careers/income potential.
    Soooo… what to do? In tens of thousands of aha-moments, they joined the Episcopal Church. They did not join because they liked the liturgy or anything else the church had to offer. They joined as a career move, and brought with them “baggage” from whatever church they had attended previously. When I say “baggage” it was simply what they had liked, or that with which they were familiar. In other words, they wanted to SAY they were members of the Episcopal Church, but they really didn’t want to BE members in the true sense of the word. They wanted the Episcopal Church to be their old/other church just with a new name which might get them what they wanted faster and more easily. So those who joined for the wrong reasons began to change it from within… and OMG did it change. They did away with the 1928 prayer book which almost caused a schism in the church… they sold guns to some banana republic in the 70’s… they ordained women and they became so PC that it gives you dry heaves.
    It’s kind of the religious version of how the lefties hijacked the greenies.
    So is the once steeped-in-beautiful-traditions Episcopal Church now a joke? I don’t know. I left. I have about 40 minutes M-F between when I drop my daughter off at work and when I pick my granddaughter up from school. There is a lovely old Episcopal Church right around the corner from her school. My very old and well worn 1928 prayer book and I go in there and I recite the words whose beauty and sameness have brought me comfort for well over 60 years. And rest assured while in that process I am not giving a great deal of thought to the Delta Smelt.

    • It is indeed sad to see the loss of traditions in our society. I was raised Methodist, and each daughter has a different religion. The elder one became Catholic on her own, then when she married, switched to Lutheran. The younger one is Unitarian. They each raise their families to a tradition, whether I may agree with it or not. To me, if The Old Rugged Cross isn’t in the hymnal, it’s just not church. I’m so moss-backed that I like there to be a piano or organ, just like in my grandma’s day. I’m sure in early times they clung to their timbrels and tambourines just as bitterly.

  3. A friend of mine is a Methodist and attended her chosen church happily enough until the pastor decided to have a “Unification Service” one Sunday. His plans for the service were much talked about ahead of time because he wanted things set up a certain way on the altar and needed the various committees involved.

    Where things hit the fan was when the congregation found out that he was planning on putting a copy of the Bible, the Koran, and the Torah all on the altar as equally valid. That particular service never happened. This is a small town in the South and that was so far over the line for folks that it threatened to split the church into splinters. The pastor left and is now happily ensconced as a chaplain at a very liberal southern university.

  4. The “High Church” as Florence King used to call it, is the font of all liberalism/progressivism, racism, imperial socialism, haughtyism and country club republicanism and democratism. All they had to do was run Jesus out, which they started back in the 60’s.

    Many Episcopal dioceses in the US have aligned themselves with the Afrifcan bishoprics, where Jesus is still welcome.

    • Interesting observation. Particularly about how some US Episcopal churches are aligning with the African ones in order to return to tradtion. Speaking historically and not doctrinally, it has been something of a truism that if you want to see best core tradition and function of an empire, paraticularly after a period of time, go to its frontiers, not its heart. I.e., if you want to see some of the strongest Eastern Orthodox communities with beautiful churches today, go to Alaska not Moscow. If you want to hear the closest spoken, living Romance language compared to how Latin sounded at the height of the Roman Empire, don’t go to Rome, go to Spain. And the British themselves admit grudgingly some of the best spoken English is in South Africa, and best written use of the language was in the 18th century in America – right about the time Jefferson penned the Declaration and the Framers wrote the Constitution – imagine that.

  5. Two non citizens, Daniel Hannan and Mark Steyn, and there are others, beg and plead with us to stop and recognize what we’ve got and not to let it all get swept away, or “transfomed”.

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